Hopwin wrote:
Ladas wrote:
What makes you think those people don't exist?
Where/who are they?
Me. I just haven't been discovered yet!
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:47 am ] |
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What happened in our society that we no longer seem to produce philosophers? Where are the Freuds, Jungs, Kants and Sartres? Have they been replaced by the Levitts, Gladwells and other "economists" or perhaps by the science of Michio Kaku and Stephen Hawking? Where is the human-aspect that examines beyond cold-rationality and logic? Have we become so enamored of technology that people too are unconsciously being reduced to series of 1s and 0s? For that matter where are our time's Steinbecks, Tolstoys, F. Scott Fitzgeralds and Brontes? The Beethovens, Davincis and Beatniks? What works of modern pop culture would stand the test of time? |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:04 am ] |
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I think we will have to look back in order to see them. History is, well, history....the present is hard to look at through that kind of lens. I don't think we will really understand and appreciate who the artistic/philosophy greats were until much later. It seems that the best of the best were always underappreciated and misunderstood during their time. |
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| Author: | Ladas [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:21 am ] |
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What makes you think those people don't exist? |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:31 am ] |
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Ladas wrote: What makes you think those people don't exist? Where/who are they? |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:40 am ] |
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Hopwin wrote: Ladas wrote: What makes you think those people don't exist? Where/who are they? Me. I just haven't been discovered yet!
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| Author: | Talya [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:43 am ] |
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The 21st century is a bit young, yet, but for your persual, I'll give you the 20th: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ph ... th_century |
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| Author: | Rafael [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:46 am ] |
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Hopwin wrote: Ladas wrote: What makes you think those people don't exist? Where/who are they? You're question is loaded. There are no philosophers/thinkers of this age who have stood the test of time, because that time hasn't passed yet. People say the same thing about music, art, inventions and ideas etc. |
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| Author: | Imperi [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:48 am ] |
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Everyone will stand the test of time through really effective futuristic search engines.  Sites like Pandora group you to similar artists, and so on.
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| Author: | Ladas [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:53 am ] |
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Hopwin wrote: Ladas wrote: What makes you think those people don't exist? Where/who are they? I don't know, but I don't think today is any different in yesterday. Current theorists/etc aren't typically known today because they aren't taught, and they aren't taught until "experts" have introduced those thoughts/ideas into academic arenas. Now, if you ask people in those respected fields, I'm sure they could provide you a list of people of the same caliber with defining thoughts or revolutionary insights that are not known yet outside their circles. |
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| Author: | Rafael [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:53 am ] |
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If you need to "search" to find it (using a search engine), most would argue it did not stand the test of time. |
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| Author: | Imperi [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:57 am ] |
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Rafael wrote: If you need to "search" to find it (using a search engine), most would argue it did not stand the test of time. So then you define "stand the test of time" as learning through a classroom, television, a friend, or anything other than the Internet? Interesting. Nobody is born with knowledge. |
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| Author: | Rafael [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:03 pm ] |
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My use of the word "search engine" wasn't in exclusivity. It was in context to the example you used. Futhermore, "The internet" is not synonomous with "searching on the internet". |
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| Author: | Loki [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:14 pm ] |
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You are searching for Beauty in a society that doesn't really know what it is. |
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| Author: | Ladas [ Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:40 pm ] |
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Or another line of thought, you are searching for Beauty in a society in which the concept has been decentralized and no longer defined by the "elite". |
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| Author: | Khross [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:23 pm ] |
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Hopwin wrote: What happened in our society that we no longer seem to produce philosophers? Where are the Freuds, Jungs, Kants and Sartres? Have they been replaced by the Levitts, Gladwells and other "economists" or perhaps by the science of Michio Kaku and Stephen Hawking? Where is the human-aspect that examines beyond cold-rationality and logic? Have we become so enamored of technology that people too are unconsciously being reduced to series of 1s and 0s? You aren't looking hard enough.
For that matter where are our time's Steinbecks, Tolstoys, F. Scott Fitzgeralds and Brontes? The Beethovens, Davincis and Beatniks? What works of modern pop culture would stand the test of time? |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:24 pm ] |
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Khross wrote: Hopwin wrote: What happened in our society that we no longer seem to produce philosophers? Where are the Freuds, Jungs, Kants and Sartres? Have they been replaced by the Levitts, Gladwells and other "economists" or perhaps by the science of Michio Kaku and Stephen Hawking? Where is the human-aspect that examines beyond cold-rationality and logic? Have we become so enamored of technology that people too are unconsciously being reduced to series of 1s and 0s? You aren't looking hard enough.For that matter where are our time's Steinbecks, Tolstoys, F. Scott Fitzgeralds and Brontes? The Beethovens, Davincis and Beatniks? What works of modern pop culture would stand the test of time? Point them out I want to read their works
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| Author: | Khross [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:56 pm ] |
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Fiction Junot Diaz Amy Bloom Cormack McCarthy J.M. Coetzee Salman Rushdie A.S. Byatt Ian McKewan Larry McMurtry (because you've obviously never read The Last Picture Show_ Thomas Pynchon Mario Vargas Llosa Gabriel Garcia Marquez Milan Kundera Isaac Babel Vladimir Nabokov John Updike Thom Jones T.C. Boyle Carlos Fuentes Julio Cortazar Clarice Lispector Manuel Puig Umberto Eco Jorge Luis Borges Mariano Azuela Murilo Rubiao Albert Camus Jean Giono Bao Ninh Poetry Bin Ramke Donald Revelle Tracy Philpot Kevin Young Yusef Komunyakaau Brenda Hillman Playwrights David Cranes Bertolt Brecht Harold Pinter Tom Stoppard Eugene Ionesco Philosophy Slavoj Zizek Iris Murdoch Umberto Eco Roland Barthes Jacques Lacan Julia Kristeva That's just off the top of my head and limited to the 20th Century, the majority of which are either still living or wrote after 1960. |
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| Author: | Noggel [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:58 pm ] |
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I think it's going to be hard to identify these people. What did Freud's, Darwin's, et al contemporaries think of them? That is a rhetorical question, largely because it seems to run the gamut. Mozart widely praised from his youth, to some famous creators not getting credit til after their death. Still, the point remains: how would this sort of person appear to society? There's also probably a sort of older-is-more-revered thing going on here, too. It's hard to top Beethoven on a scale of epicness, and in part I'd say it's because classical music has a sort of aura to it nowadays. Does someone like John Williams compare? He definitely has the popularity needed already, with a lot of his tunes instantly recognizable and part of popular culture... but something about it just doesn't compare. Samuel Barber died in 1981, and his most well-known work compares more favorably I suppose, but he's probably a lot more obscure than John Williams for better or for worse. :p Literature is not my forte and I won't even try, here. I'm also failing to come up with someone like Freud. Chomsky is probably worth being mentioned? He might fall under too scientific if you're putting Hawking aside, though. I also wonder if changes in society itself recently make this picture a whole lot murkier. If the great American authors of a century past first published in today's world, would things turn out differently? Probably too complicated for me to even try to tackle... especially given my lack of credentials in any number of applicable areas. :p |
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| Author: | Stathol [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:06 pm ] |
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Khross wrote: Cormack McCarthy Oh Faaaaaarskyyyyyy....  Personal opinion, of course, but I'd also add José Saramago to that list. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:08 pm ] |
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I should add a caveat to Cormack McCarthy and mention two novels: Blood Meridian and The Road. |
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| Author: | Stathol [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:21 pm ] |
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I haven't read Blood Meridian, but The Road, well...I can see why it's not for everyone. I thought it was good, though. But maybe there's just something wrong with me :p |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: A new discussion |
Khross wrote: Fiction Junot Diaz Amy Bloom Cormack McCarthy J.M. Coetzee Salman Rushdie A.S. Byatt Ian McKewan Larry McMurtry (because you've obviously never read The Last Picture Show_ Thomas Pynchon Mario Vargas Llosa Gabriel Garcia Marquez Milan Kundera Isaac Babel Vladimir Nabokov John Updike Thom Jones T.C. Boyle Carlos Fuentes Julio Cortazar Clarice Lispector Manuel Puig Umberto Eco Jorge Luis Borges Mariano Azuela Murilo Rubiao Albert Camus Jean Giono Bao Ninh Poetry Bin Ramke Donald Revelle Tracy Philpot Kevin Young Yusef Komunyakaau Brenda Hillman Playwrights David Cranes Bertolt Brecht Harold Pinter Tom Stoppard Eugene Ionesco Philosophy Slavoj Zizek Iris Murdoch Umberto Eco Roland Barthes Jacques Lacan Julia Kristeva That's just off the top of my head and limited to the 20th Century, the majority of which are either still living or wrote after 1960. Ahhhhhh much love for Khross. |
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| Author: | Micheal [ Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:14 am ] |
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Yes, my to read list just expanded a fair bit. |
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