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Author:  darksiege [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:57 am ]
Post subject:  Az Speedtrap Camera Inquiry
Lisa let her sister use her car down in Phoenix. Her sister got flashed by the car speeder thingy, and Lisa is expecting to get a ticket in the mail.

How does this mail ticketing thing work? It is kind of difficult to go down there and fight if a ticket does arrive. But if it is sent uncertified (I believe Screeling mentioned this at one time)... what happens if we do not receive the mail?
Author:  Rynar [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:12 am ]
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**** those people. That's the one thing I hated about Phoenix.

It may take a court appearance, but if Lisa goes down there and presents herself she can demonstrate that it wasn't her driving the car, and have the ticket thrown out. I went to court with a friend who did that, and it worked.

Something else to consider is that there is something like a 5 year backjam on ticket processing due to how many of those get processed in the greater Phoenix area. If you don't pay, you might never get served because of the statute of limitations.

Either way, or another way entirely, I'd take the ticket, and whatever the fine is, insist her sister pay for it.
Author:  Lenas [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:01 am ]
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I believe you don't have to honor the ticket unless it's served in person. At least, that's last I heard from my brother in Phoenix.
Author:  Vindicarre [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:26 am ]
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Here's something to consider:
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Arizona law requires that all complaints, including traffic tickets, be personally served. Your appellate court has thrown out cases where a photo radar ticket was mailed. Your courts have no power to assess fines or sanctions unless the complaint was served or service was waived. In other words, a ticket is just like a lawsuit. It has to be served the same as if it were a personal injury suit, breach of contract suit, or any other lawsuit.

So, looking again at that ticket that came in the mail, if the driver signs and returns it, the driver is waiving the legal requirement that the city serve the complaint personally.


Of course, I'd check it out further, but the prevailing knowledge seems to be that if it's mailed, it doesn't have standing unless you waive by signing. I know there was a movement to try to change how photo-enforcement works a while back, but I don't believe anything changed.
Author:  Screeling [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:30 am ]
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Basically, when you get the ticket, go to the state/county/city's website where you can review the court case's status. It will likely state when the ticket is sent out to the service to come to your door and serve you. Tucson city court made this pretty clear. When it says it is sent out, its time to start keeping all your blinds closed, stop answering your door, and don't play your TV loud. They have to serve you, but I've also heard they can skate with sliding it under your door if there are signs of life in the house. I haven't verified that, but if it always looks and sounds like nobody is home, you're better off.

The ticket supposedly will have a link to a website where you can view pictures. I've heard/read they can't use your looking at the website as being served, but honestly, just steer clear of it.

Typically, the court waits 30 days after the mail the ticket before sending it out for servicing. From there, they wait another 90 days. If you haven't been served in that time, the court will dismiss the case.

Supposedly these companies they use to serve these tickets get more money for serving divorce papers, so they tend not to make repeated attempts at knocking on your door. Don't take your chances though.

Things worked out great for me because I had school that kept me out until around 8-9pm and my wife was always upstairs in the back bedroom and never answered the door. It will probably require more diligence to being quiet if you live in an apartment.

Fight the man!
Author:  Lalaas [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:39 am ]
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http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/traffi ... izona-law/
Author:  Müs [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:45 am ]
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Wait... so the cameras are being operated by not just a 3rd party private company... but a foreign 3rd party private company?

Good lord. Whichever AZ official thought that one up needs to be shot.
Author:  Lalaas [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:55 am ]
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Yes, some of the US redlight/speed cameras are being operated by foreign 3rd parties - RedFlex. American Traffic Solutions (ATC) seems to be a subsidiary of a subsidiary of <...> a subsidiary of Roper Industries, based in PA.

And for more fun reading, I give you: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/partne ... ore-349231
Author:  Müs [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:04 am ]
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/twitch

I'm surprised more of these cameras aren't "damaged".
Author:  Screeling [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:42 am ]
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There was a group of guys wearing Santa Claus suits and putting gift-wrapped boxes around the cameras. But yeah, were I younger, breaking those things woulda been right up my alley.
Author:  Müs [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:58 am ]
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I'm thinking a silenced .22 would be just the ticket :)
Author:  Vindicarre [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:02 am ]
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to prison.
Author:  Müs [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:03 am ]
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Vindicarre wrote:
to prison.


If you get caught.
Author:  Stathol [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:12 am ]
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Müs wrote:
/twitch

I'm surprised more of these cameras aren't "damaged".


Müs wrote:
I'm thinking a silenced .22 would be just the ticket :)


Paintball guns are an excellent way of rendering CCTV cameras, etc. inoperable without the added legal issues of using an actual firearm.
Author:  Müs [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:30 am ]
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Yeh, but paint can be wiped off. Destroyed cameras have to be replaced.
Author:  Aethien [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:41 pm ]
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Müs wrote:
Yeh, but paint can be wiped off. Destroyed cameras have to be replaced.

Which will be paid for with your tax dollars (so they can get back to assessing additional user fees). If you use paint, you won't go to PMITA prison, and you provide a job for city workers. Everyone wins!
Author:  Screeling [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:50 pm ]
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Aethien wrote:
Müs wrote:
Yeh, but paint can be wiped off. Destroyed cameras have to be replaced.

Which will be paid for with your tax dollars (so they can get back to assessing additional user fees). If you use paint, you won't go to PMITA prison, and you provide a job for city workers. Everyone wins!

Not true. Part of the deal, at least here in Arizona, is that the company paid to install them and gets half the revenue from the tickets. There was no out of pocket expense for Arizonans, at least according to them.
Author:  Müs [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:52 pm ]
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Screeling wrote:
Aethien wrote:
Müs wrote:
Yeh, but paint can be wiped off. Destroyed cameras have to be replaced.

Which will be paid for with your tax dollars (so they can get back to assessing additional user fees). If you use paint, you won't go to PMITA prison, and you provide a job for city workers. Everyone wins!

Not true. Part of the deal, at least here in Arizona, is that the company paid to install them and gets half the revenue from the tickets. There was no out of pocket expense for Arizonans, at least according to them.


Exactly.

**** them.
Author:  Aethien [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:55 pm ]
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Screeling wrote:
Aethien wrote:
Müs wrote:
Yeh, but paint can be wiped off. Destroyed cameras have to be replaced.

Which will be paid for with your tax dollars (so they can get back to assessing additional user fees). If you use paint, you won't go to PMITA prison, and you provide a job for city workers. Everyone wins!

Not true. Part of the deal, at least here in Arizona, is that the company paid to install them and gets half the revenue from the tickets. There was no out of pocket expense for Arizonans, at least according to them.


Heh, no out of pocket expenses up front, until you get caught. Nice.

Yeah, screw 'em.
Author:  Aizle [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:04 pm ]
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Müs wrote:
Yeh, but paint can be wiped off. Destroyed cameras have to be replaced.


Store said paintballs in a freezer before firing. And crank up the fps of the paintball gun to the 300-350fps range.
Author:  Micheal [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:34 pm ]
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To no one in particular

Sometimes you scare me
Sometimes I just think you're crazy
You react in such odd ways
Soon you'll be pushing up a daisy
Author:  Lex Luthor [ Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:31 pm ]
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Aizle wrote:
Müs wrote:
Yeh, but paint can be wiped off. Destroyed cameras have to be replaced.


Store said paintballs in a freezer before firing. And crank up the fps of the paintball gun to the 300-350fps range.


That makes the marker very inaccurate.
Author:  Colphax [ Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:01 am ]
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Lex Luthor wrote:
Aizle wrote:
Müs wrote:
Yeh, but paint can be wiped off. Destroyed cameras have to be replaced.


Store said paintballs in a freezer before firing. And crank up the fps of the paintball gun to the 300-350fps range.


That makes the marker very inaccurate.

This is why I played with like 8-10 reload tubes.

One case, One kill!

I stopped playing just as fully auto was becomong popular...
Author:  Diamondeye [ Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:10 am ]
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Müs wrote:
I'm thinking a silenced .22 would be just the ticket :)


Rather closing the barn door after the horse is out, isn't it?
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