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Author: | Shelgeyr [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Job posting - needs reality check? |
Quote: Job Category Internet; Technology Seriously, how likely is it that anyone's going to meet the stated qualifications with "0-1 years experience"? Is it just me or does this look like a case of wanting to buy 10-20 yrs of expertise for entry-level salary?Location Denver, CO Position Type Full-Time, Employee Experience 0-1 Years Experience This position will create and maintain system interfaces, extracting, translating and loading data between internal applications and externally to vendors and business partners. Position will include maintenance of IBM UniVerse applications and assistance in the migration of legacy applications in UniVerse and other languages to Java applications and develop reports from various systems. Will also assist with system administration and maintenance of some commercial business application packages. Qualifications: Bachelors Degree in Computer Science or related field Experience using DataStage tool for interface development Experience with Microsoft windows tools including Vision Working knowledge of DataStage for interface development Knowledge of interface security including SCP, SFTP, FTP, SSL using putty or other utilities Knowledge of database connectivity using ODBC, JDBC, and native connections Knowledge of Legacy programming in Universe Basic, Universe Transaction logging Knowledge of XML parsing, querying and validation Working knowledge of SQL and Oracle PL/SQL Knowledge of a reporting software tool such as or Oracle reports or Crystal Reports. Knowledge of Unix/Linux operating kernel Knowledge of basic Windows operating system environment. Working knowledge of Microsoft windows tools including Visio. Knowledge of software life-cycles Ability to communicate effectively, verbally and in writing, to interact effectively with internal and external clients, peers, management and cross-functional areas, and to create technical documentation Ability to draw out information and develop in-depth understanding of complex processes Ability to determine/refine business requirements Ability to suggest alternative approaches Ability to manage time effectively, to work under time pressure to meet schedules and deadlines, to multi-task, to plan, organize and prioritize work assignments, and to pay close attention to detail Ability to rapidly learn new software and maintain competency with developing technologies. Ability to identify design alternatives that will implement a solution from a specific analysis model Ability to estimate time needed for software development Ability to constantly seek and acquire knowledge of emerging technologies Ability to analyze Ability to troubleshoot Ability to use good judgment in evaluation and decision making. Ability to work flexible hours, 24/7 Ability to work effectively in a diverse workforce Problem solving skills Ability to develop testing criteria. Demonstrated ability to work effectively in a diverse workforce. Also, I'm guessing that whole "ability to work effectively in a diverse workforce" is really important to them. I really hate jobhunting |
Author: | LadyKate [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:35 pm ] |
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A little FYI...the job description always sounds more daunting than the actual job, and employers are not expecting to get every single one of those things in a potential employee....just the candidate with the most of them. |
Author: | NephyrS [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:35 pm ] |
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I would say a handful of the people that I knew in undergrad with degrees in CS could meet most of those requirements straight out of college. |
Author: | Khross [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Job posting - needs reality check? |
That job position doesn't exist in any sense that you should spend any great deal of effort applying for it ... From the qualification list presented, it's merely an open posting to satisfy EOE guidelines while the company transitions their soon to graduate intern into a paid position. |
Author: | Shelgeyr [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:39 pm ] |
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In related news: Geek Squad Counter Intelligence Agent wrote: Do all things technology fire you up? Can you swap a motherboard or hook up a home theater system blindfolded? Does the thought of installing an LCD in an SUV—and getting paid for it—make you salivate? First of all - "Counter Intelligence Agent"? Really? I think you've been watching too much Chuck.If you answered yes to any of these questions, congratulations. Your dream career might be waiting for you at Geek Squad. Geek Squad Counter Intelligence Agents work in a fast paced retail environment performing computer-related installations and technical support. Although sales will not be your primary function, let's just face it, when our customers spot a sharp technical mind dressed like an Agent, they can't help but ask a few technology questions. Geek Squad Agents should have the ability to interact with customers while showing respect, courtesy and professionalism. So if you're techno-exceptional, good with people and great at having fun while doing top-quality work, we invite you to join our illustrious ranks. Key Responsibilities: - Assist customers with service/repair issues within the Standard Operating Platform (SOP) of the Precinct - Provides the initial contact with customers, checks in product, and runs basic tests to determine product needs and service solutions. - Facilitates the complete solution of product sales, upgrades, installations and service in the store. - Is expected to personify and uphold the Geek Squad service standards. Basic Qualifications: - Experience with DOS, Windows 9x/ME/2000/XP/Vista or Apple MacOS - Troubleshooting of Operating Systems and Internet connection issues - Knowledge of computer hardware diagnostic and troubleshooting - Software installations and upgrading - Can install / troubleshoot all computer-related devices (video, sound, modem, printer, scanner, camera, etcetera.) - Have the ability to research online and work through problems - At least 16 years of age Preferred Qualifications: - Proof of Apple certifications (current or expired) or laptop repair training are a strong plus. - The ability to troubleshoot and resolve Windows XP/Vista and basic Apple OS X problems is preferred. - Apple hardware certifications are a strong plus. - Linux experience is a plus since it is required to perform many Data Rescue services. Lack of Linux and Mac experience will not disqualify candidates, training is provided. Secondly, if you really need to list "at least 16 years of age" amongst all the other basic qualifications, I'm gonna go cry because there's no way I can compete with high school students in the salary requirements arena. |
Author: | Shelgeyr [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Job posting - needs reality check? |
Khross wrote: That job position doesn't exist in any sense that you should spend any great deal of effort apply for it ... See, that makes a lot of sense to me. As for having this skillset right out of college - must be a 4-yr degree thing (or my college just plain sucked ***) because I certainly wasn't prepared to meet all of those requirements when I finished my 2 years.
From the qualification list presented, it's merely an open posting to satisfy EOE guidelines while the company transitions their soon to graduate intern into a paid position. |
Author: | Darkroland [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:57 pm ] |
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In my experience, a lot of job postings are written by HR people who only have the slightest idea what they're actually requesting, and just put a list of words they've been told to look for in the posting. |
Author: | Ienan [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:01 pm ] |
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I think I agree with Khross on this one. They already have the candidate, but they need to post it for EOE requirements anyway. So they tailor it to the person they're giving it to. You see that a lot in the hard sciences, like biology, since there's a lot of testing procedures that are specific to the company or institution doing them. |
Author: | NephyrS [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:33 pm ] |
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Shelgeyr wrote: Khross wrote: That job position doesn't exist in any sense that you should spend any great deal of effort apply for it ... See, that makes a lot of sense to me. As for having this skillset right out of college - must be a 4-yr degree thing (or my college just plain sucked ***) because I certainly wasn't prepared to meet all of those requirements when I finished my 2 years.From the qualification list presented, it's merely an open posting to satisfy EOE guidelines while the company transitions their soon to graduate intern into a paid position. I think Khross is likely correct. That said, since one of the first requirements is a Bachelors degree, would it even be a job you could apply for, excepting all the rest? I do think the extra prep from an associates degree to a bachelors degree is quite large most places, especially in the "out of classroom" job prep most programs offer. Most of the 4 year CS programs I know really try to hit that kind of stuff hard with their graduates so they can transition to such positions... Internships every summer/most of the year, etc. |
Author: | Ladas [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:50 pm ] |
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Quote: Geek Squad Counter Intelligence Agents For when the CIA just can't get the job done... I wonder if they really thought about that combination of words, and the double meaning of "counter". |
Author: | Aizle [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:01 pm ] |
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Geek Squad was started here in Mpls, MN. It was HUGELY successful which is why Best Buy bought it up. And yes, they are Counter Intelligence Agents. You wear black slacks, white button down shirt and a black tie. Often you're in a company car (VW Beetle) that is black and white. Part of the whole company culture is a huge geek spoof on secret agent man. |
Author: | Elmarnieh [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:09 pm ] |
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Someone in college is going to have a hard time coming up with a reason to have exp with Crystal Reports. |
Author: | Khross [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:12 pm ] |
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Elmarnieh wrote: Someone in college is going to have a hard time coming up with a reason to have exp with Crystal Reports. Not really, since Oracle owns Crystal after the PeopleSoft by out, and it's bundled with even their academic editions of their database software ...
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Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:35 pm ] |
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Not to mention, Crystal Reports is used in a lot of higher ed-targetted database solutions. So if you do workstudy stuff with the IT department, or any of several other departments of the college that interface with the database, there's a not insignificant chance you'll be exposed to basic Crystal Reports use. |
Author: | Midgen [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:48 pm ] |
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I was a hiring manager in a very technical IT field for several years, and I can tell you with extreme confidence that job descriptions like that are very inaccurate. I won't go so far as to say it's intentional, but they are usually generic, especially with larger companies. They use a generic template that gets re-used and regurgitated for different types of positions. No one takes the time to draft a unique job description for every position available in a large company. I know we used to have time set aside on an annual basis to go through the job descriptions for all of our positions, and make any adjustments. When we had time (rarely) we would review the actual posting and ask for changes if we were looking for a specific skill, but it almost never happens that a job description is written with great detail for a specific job. It may be different with smaller companies, or for roles that are very unique, but otherwise, just try to read between the lines and figure out what the position entails, and decide if its something can, and want to do.. if so, apply... Another note. Every single one of our job descriptions has something about Bachelors degrees (or in some cases, Masters degrees), but I can tell you that I personally, as the hiring manager, could care less if you have a college degree. Mainly because we were not hiring 'entry level' positions. We were far more interested in your body of actual work (experience), and how well you could function in our environment, get along with the rest of the team (in a professional sense) and support our customers. After we narrowed down the field to a small handful of candidates, who were technically qualified, we would always do a 'team' interview, where we would bring in a few of the more senior engineers, and have a very informal, non scripted interview. The goal was to get the person to relax, and act like themselves... so we could see through the veneer of the "interview" face, and get a feel for what they would be like to work with on a day to day basis. I also liked to be brutally honest with people about what the job was like, so people wouldn't be surprised or intimidated after the first week and how intense things could get (this was a senior support engineer team) when something ugly was going on with the customer network. My personal feeling about hiring is, I don't want to have to do it very often. I would much rather make a few minor compromises on specific technical qualifications, if I know I'm going to get someone who is a hard worker, is a good team member, and will be around for a while. I'd much rather spend a few extra weeks or months getting someone up to speed on specific technologies, and have them be happy, comfortable and wanting to stay for a while, than hold out for that ideal candidate who has the exact technical qualifications on his or her resume, but doesn't feel challenged, or is otherwise not going to be happy with the work assignments, and ends up leaving after 6 months or a year. |
Author: | Shelgeyr [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Job posting - needs reality check? |
NephyrS wrote: That said, since one of the first requirements is a Bachelors degree, would it even be a job you could apply for, excepting all the rest? Nope. And I wasn't intending to apply for the job. Whether or not *I* could apply for the job has nothing to do with why I posted it here.
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Author: | NephyrS [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:54 pm ] |
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Shelgeyr wrote: NephyrS wrote: That said, since one of the first requirements is a Bachelors degree, would it even be a job you could apply for, excepting all the rest? Nope. And I wasn't intending to apply for the job. Whether or not *I* could apply for the job has nothing to do with why I posted it here.Ah, your comments after that seemed like it was something you wanted to apply for. |
Author: | darksiege [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:12 pm ] |
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Shelgeyr wrote: Seriously, how likely is it that anyone's going to meet the stated qualifications with "0-1 years experience"? Depending on the school... fairly likely Shelgeyr wrote: Is it just me or does this look like a case of wanting to buy 10-20 yrs of expertise for entry-level salary? No. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:20 pm ] |
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Ladas wrote: Quote: Geek Squad Counter Intelligence Agents For when the CIA just can't get the job done... I wonder if they really thought about that combination of words, and the double meaning of "counter". As a point of order, the FBI does counterintelligence, not the CIA, except in regard to the CIA's own activities. Still, I'm fairly sure the Geek Squad doesn't do counterintelligence either. |
Author: | Rorinthas [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:56 pm ] |
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The Squad was Hardcore even in the pre-Chuck era. Interviewing for them was a humbling experience. Their entrance exam is a massive four page monster of obscure tech and geek culture knowlege. Tips: Don't blanch when they actually call it "The Precinct" |
Author: | Darkroland [ Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:02 pm ] |
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darksiege wrote: Shelgeyr wrote: Is it just me or does this look like a case of wanting to buy 10-20 yrs of expertise for entry-level salary? No. I'm pretty sure almost every company in the world wants to hire someone with 20 years of expertise for an entry level salary, if they can. |
Author: | darksiege [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:12 am ] |
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Darkroland wrote: I'm pretty sure almost every company in the world wants to hire someone with 20 years of expertise for an entry level salary, if they can. I see it the same way the others see it... as a way to cater a new position for someone who is already in the company. But we were not asked for our reasons. I just kept it simple. |
Author: | Colphax [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:06 am ] |
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Diamondeye wrote: Ladas wrote: Quote: Geek Squad Counter Intelligence Agents For when the CIA just can't get the job done... I wonder if they really thought about that combination of words, and the double meaning of "counter". As a point of order, the FBI does counterintelligence, not the CIA, except in regard to the CIA's own activities. Still, I'm fairly sure the Geek Squad doesn't do counterintelligence either. I think the difference between "counterintelligence" and "Counter Intelligence" could be significant. Perhaps it involves and actual table consisting of a horizontal surface over which business is transacted! |
Author: | Lalaas [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:45 am ] |
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Ding Ding! Colphax has it! I think if you're GS-CIA you have to know how to nod your head at a customer on the other side of the counter and try to understand what they're saying about their pron pop-ups without either 1) laughing in their face; or B) killing them. |
Author: | DFK! [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:39 pm ] |
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Darkroland wrote: In my experience, a lot of job postings are written by HR people who only have the slightest idea what they're actually requesting, and just put a list of words they've been told to look for in the posting. QFT. |
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