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Author:  Rodahn [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:13 pm ]
Post subject:  ITT Tech
Given some thought to enrolling in ITT Tech.

I even have an orientation tour of the building this coming Saturday.

The brochure that was sent to me says that the following programs are offered at my ITT location (like 10 minutes away from me, very convenient):

Computer Drafting and Design (this one interests me the most)

Computer and Electronics Engineering Tech

Visual Communications

Information Tech - Computer Networking Systems

Criminal Justice

Paralegal Studies


As I said above, Computer Drafting and Design currently holds the most interest for me. Although I did read where they want you take a couple math courses and a physics (wth?) course. That scares me, as math was never my strong suit. Then again, maybe now that I am older, it will click more.

Other considerations of course are: do I really want to owe the government MORE student loan money (still paying off college, but almost done)? Do I really want to leave my house/dog unattended for not only the entire work day but also when I am away at class? Do I really want to sacrifice my free time? Will my degree even be worth a **** to employers?

I also feel that if I at least do not attempt this, that I will kick myself. I really want something better for myself, and a BA in Creative Writing just isn't cutting it.

Thoughts?
Author:  Raltar [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:23 pm ]
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Stop. Don't do it. I have only one regret in my life and that was attending ITT Tech.
Author:  Rodahn [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:31 pm ]
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Oh? How so?
Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:51 pm ]
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Also, if you're not friendly with math, CAD is an odd choice.
Author:  Caleria [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:56 pm ]
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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Also, if you're not friendly with math, CAD is an odd choice.


This. I took a Drafting and Design course (not through ITT tech) and there was A LOT of math involved. And there was even MORE math involved when I got out and went to work as a CAD operator. Luckily, math is one of my stronger subjects.
Author:  Rodahn [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:58 pm ]
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Well, I'm thinking maybe I can break through the math barrier if I had some more classes. Back in school, I kinda shut off my mind to math whenever there was a theory or concept that I didn't understand. Was more closed-minded back then I suppose.

I did some more research and ITT Tech is getting mostly mixed reviews. For every review saying they thought it was rewarding, there is another that takes Raltar's stance of regret.

I'm also looking at Mountwest Community College which is located near Marshall University, like 20 minutes from my house. Seems a lot of the people disappointed with ITT were recommending a community college.
Author:  Raltar [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:03 pm ]
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No one really takes ITT seriously. I mean, really...they advertise on TV. The teachers were very bottom rung(a lot of former students got jobs teaching, for example). It was expensive as **** and they don't really do a whole lot to help you with getting a job like they advertised(I don't know if they still do). And when they did help get you placed in a job, it would be jobs not related to your field. I remember them setting me up with interviews for UPS. Just a poor experience all around.
Author:  Rodahn [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:09 pm ]
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Yeah, the aforementioned poor reviews I read were pretty verbatim of what you just said, Raltar. Community college is looking better and better all the time.

By the way, could you all please take a look at my local community college's website and tell me what you think?

Proper accreditation is one important factor to me. Quality and well-roundedness of courses is another.

Mountwest Community College
Author:  Screeling [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:09 pm ]
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Make sure you really put research into the job you're going to get trained for. Find out about daily duties, what's involved. Don't get started just because it sounds cool. You might even call a company that hires their graduates and ask them what those people do starting out. Not sure if they'd allow it, but you can ask if you can shadow for a day. Maybe ask to watch a couple classes too.

College is a LOT of money. Don't waste money and time for something this important.
Author:  Raltar [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:17 pm ]
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Also, ITT Tech asked me to do one of those cheesy commercials where the douche bags talk about how great ITT Tech was for their life. I was like, "**** you."
Author:  Corolinth [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:24 pm ]
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I've heard pretty much the same stuff about ITT that Raltar is saying, only it game from a friend of mine who went elsewhere for his training. Bottom line seems to be that ITT is a **** joke.

An associate's degree from a community college is a fairly economical choice. It's a significant time and money investment, although I'm not sure expensive is really the right word. A 60-65 hour associate's degree will likely run between $5500-$7000 depending on where you live. It's certainly not cheap, but if you plan properly it isn't going to break your bank.
Author:  Raltar [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:39 pm ]
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Cheaper than the $30,000 I paid(well, I owe, but even then, I owe $50,000 because I was retarded and went for my Bachelor's as well).
Author:  Lenas [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:41 pm ]
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I've interviewed people from ITT and I can't say I've been impressed enough to call any back. Smaller technical colleges seem to produce better workers.
Author:  Rodahn [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:42 pm ]
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I recall my end tuition balance at Marshall from 1996-2001 was ~$15grand. So Corolinth's figures are a breath of fresh air.
Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:19 pm ]
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The community college will probably be flexible enough in their program to let you try the math classes first, too. Then you can judge whether you can "break through" the math thing better.
Author:  Rodahn [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:23 pm ]
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Well, all I know is . . . my current employment situation/prospectus cannot continue as is. I simply cannot continue working as a temporary employee making <$10/hour as an accounting clerk (blech!). I've only had near-minimum wage jobs my whole life, and I just can't keep doing that to myself.

I want something that I will not only enjoy doing, but that also has a good job market.
Author:  Corolinth [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: ITT Tech
I believe courses are $84/hr where I work. Depending on the class, books will run you about $100-$200. Math and science books tend to be expensive, on the order of $150 for a calculus, physics, or chemistry book. Your philosophy courses on the other hand may call for books that you can find in the philosophy aisle of your local Borders or Barnes and Noble for $20 or so, but might require five books. So generally speaking, $100 per class for books is a fairly solid estimate.

That means that a four hour college algebra course costs a student about $450 when all is said and done. Now, I'm in St. Louis. If you head about twenty miles west on U.S. Interstate 44, I think the community college for that region has lower tuition rates. If you went to Los Angeles or New York City, you would be looking at higher tuition costs.

The expensive math and science books aren't quite as bad as they sound. I did three semesters of calculus with the same book, which came out to $50 per class for books. They were five hour classes, so it comes out to $10 per credit hour for books. Comparing that to my philosophy class, which was a three hour course that came out to $30ish on books per credit hour. If you're doing a technical program, like a CCNA or trying to pick up AutoCAD, you may be looking at classes where one book takes care of you for two semesters.

An associate's degree from St. Louis Community College is 65 hours. Assuming my $84/hr figure is correct (it's been a while, so I might be off by a few dollars), you come out to $5460 in tuition costs. That's not counting books. We roll parking costs into tuition, so books are the only other cost associated. I just can't give you a solid figure for how much books will cost, but when all is said and done, you're looking at around $7000 for a standard two-year associate's degree. It'll transfer just about anywhere in the country that the student wants to go, if they decide to go on to a bachelor's program, and they're a junior when they arrive at a four-year school.

Raltar quoted you $50,000 for a bachelor's degree from ITT. That means it cost around $25,000 to do two years there. Compare that to $7000 at a community college.

Anybody we graduate is eligible for a transfer scholarship to any University of Missouri school. I'm not sure what the specifics are regarding GPA and how much scholarship money they receive, but there is a scholarship just for graduating from our school and going to a state university. Community colleges across the country tend to make deals like that with four-year universities. I know our nursing program sends students to work in local hospitals as part of their coursework.

I don't know what the specifics are going to be like in your neck of the woods, but there's what my local community college does. Yours ought to have all manner of adult education programs ranging from GED courses to two-year professional certifications and general college courses to transfer to a four-year school. Anything that ITT is offering, they're going to have at your community college. I'll come back later and get to math and science requirements for stuff like AutoCAD and CCNA programs.
Author:  Raltar [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:52 pm ]
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Another minus for ITT is that if you want to transfer to another college after getting your AS, basically nothing transfers. Which is why I went to get my BS from them.
Author:  Rodahn [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:56 pm ]
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So let's say for argument's sake I complete a community college full course in something.

After that I need to go to a regular college and take more courses to get a full BA or higher?

Or will an end degree at the community college suffice for most employers?
Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:02 pm ]
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It depends on the employment, and the degree.
Author:  Corolinth [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:19 pm ]
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That depends. Like I said in the last post, they're adult education facilities. While it is probably true that over half the student body are fresh out of high school and taking day classes, community colleges exist primarily for people like you. The average age of our students is 28.5. We have two-year programs that send graduates to local hospitals as nurses and radiology technicians (the guys that operate the X-Ray machine). Community colleges tend to have professional certificate programs. Taly told me a while back that she saw an ad for a CCNA program that her local school was offering. I think the average salary for a CCNA is $45,000 per year.

So I can't answer whether the end degree will suffice for most employers. It will suffice for some, that's for sure. It all depends on what field you're in. It doesn't suffice for what I want to do, but that's just how the engineering field is. We need two years of math just to understand our textbooks. However, when I graduated from community college, every school in the state was willing to take me. That problem Raltar had with transferring didn't happen to me.

The end degree can suffice for an employer. However, if it doesn't, then a two-year degree from ITT will have the same problem. Check your local school out. They probably have all the same equipment in their labs that you see ITT showing off in their TV commercials. Mountwest's website advertises them as a technical college. Here's the other consideration - if your community college's end degree doesn't suffice for employers in whatever field you chose, and you do have to go to a four-year school, the community colleges like to make deals with four-year schools to get scholarships for their graduates that end up getting you more money than you spent at the community college.
Author:  Rodahn [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:32 pm ]
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Well I wouldn't mind going back to college -- only problem is, I would have to quit my job if I could not get online/night classes.

I thought about an online school, but those seem like bad jokes.
Author:  Corolinth [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:51 pm ]
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http://www.mctc.edu/academics/programs/associates

Scroll down to information technology. If that's the Mountwest you're referring to, then yes it looks like they have two-year program that will suffice for a job.
Author:  Rodahn [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:54 pm ]
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AAAAAAA! EDUCATION IS TOO CONFUSING!!!!!!
Author:  Raltar [ Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:57 pm ]
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Online classes suck so much balls it isn't even funny. They pushed those on us during the last half of my bachelor's degree program...but at least it was only for general education stuff.
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