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Author: | Aizle [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:15 pm ] |
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Author: | Hopwin [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:19 pm ] |
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Interesting timing: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40138522/ns ... al_health/ Quote: GPS addict? It may be eroding your brain
When it comes to spatial memory, it could be a case of 'use it or lose it,' say researchers Jean Snyder says she isn't afraid of spiders, snakes or even dentists. But she is scared of one little thing: a GPS breakdown. Snyder's 2005 Honda Odyssey is equipped with GPS, and for the last five years, Snyder hasn't looked at a map, noticed landmarks or even tried new routes to get from point A to point B. Instead, she relies on the disembodied voice of "Jackie," her GPS, to guide her. "When it comes to finding my way, I've become a GPS zombie," says Snyder, a 47-year-old office manager in Highland Heights, Ohio."I'm sure I'm not doing my brain any favors." Snyder might be on to something. Three studies by McGill University researchers presented at the annual meeting of the Society for Neuroscience on Sunday show that the way we navigate the world today may indeed affect just how well our brains function as we age — particularly the hippocampus, which is linked to memory. Health highlights GPS addict? It may be eroding your brain Three studies by McGill University researchers presented at the annual meeting of the Society for Neuroscience on Sunday show that the way we navigate the world today may indeed affect just how well our brains function as we age. Internet fuels bad self-diagnoses and 'cyberchondria' Brother's transplant gift carries unbearable cost HPV shot dilemma: Should gay boys be targeted? Surgery error leads doc to public mea culpa Navigating by landmark or on auto-pilot Generally, to find our way, we rely on one of two strategies: The first is a so-called spatial navigation strategy, in which we build cognitive maps using things like landmarks as visual cues that not only help us determine where we are at a given point in space, but also help us plan where we need to go. Or, we navigate by using a stimulus-response strategy, a kind of auto-pilot mode in which we turn left and right because, after some repetition, that's the most efficient way to get from A to B. If you have GPS, that uber-strategy of stimulus-response may seem quite familiar. Those in the study who navigated spatially (the non-GPS users) were shown on fMRI images to have increased activity in the hippocampus, an area of the brain believed to be involved in memory and navigation and play a role in finding shortcuts and new routes. According to the McGill researchers, their findings suggest that the aging process involves a shift in navigational strategies. Healthy young adults tend to spontaneously use a spatial approach when navigating a virtual maze, the McGill researchers found in their studies. But most older adults used a response strategy. That shift may lead to atrophy of the hippocampus, a risk factor for cognitive problems in normal aging and in Alzheimer's disease, explains neuroscientist Veronique Bohbot, associate professor of psychiatry at the Douglas Mental Health University Institute and McGill University. The hippocampus is one of the first brain areas to be affected by Alzheimer's disease, causing problems with memory and spatial orientation. Use it or lose it? But the researchers also found a greater volume of grey matter in the hippocampus of older adults who used spatial strategies. And these adults scored higher on a standardized cognition test used to help diagnose mild cognitive impairment, which is often a precursor to Alzheimer's disease. These findings suggest that using spatial memory may increase the function of the hippocampus and increase our quality of life as we age, says Bohbot. More simply: it could be a case of use it or lose it. Most popular With Diana’s ring, William and Kate are engaged Rangel found guilty of violating 11 House rules A medal's burden, a soldier's sacrifice Prince William, fiancee address press following engagement Prince William, Kate Middleton engaged! A royal couple’s long courtship Although the studies compare different groups of people and don't show causality, the findings are "plausible," explains Russell Epstein, associate professor of psychology at the University of Pennsylvania's Center for Cognitive Neuroscience. For example, research at the University of London showed that part of the hippocampus of London taxi cab drivers is actually larger than that of a non-taxi driver control group. Despite the most experienced drivers having the most robust hippocampus, it's still not known whether finding those novel routes through London's Byzantine maze of streets caused the hippocampus to grow, or if having a robust hippocampus helps a person become a successful cab driver, explains Epstein. Nonetheless, exercising your own hippocampus may not be a bad idea. "There is something to be said about intellectual enrichment, having some type of reserve that may be able to lessen the impact of cognitive decline," explains Rainbow Babies & Children's Hospital pediatric neurologist Dr. Max Wiznitzer, who actually prefers finding his own way sans GPS when traveling to new places. The take-away message isn't to rip your GPS from the dashboard. Rather be smart about it, says Bohbot, noting that building cognitive maps takes “time and effort.” Her suggestion is to use GPS to get to a new destination, but to turn it off on the way back or when going to familiar locations. You might even try to draw your own map from a "birds-eye view" perspective. "We live in a society that's so fast paced that it encourages us to feel bad if we get lost," says Bohbot, fearing that reduced use of spatial strategies may lead to earlier onset of dementia. "What I say to people is that we can use GPS to explore the environment, but don't become dependent on it. (Developing) a cognitive map may take longer, but it’s worth the investment.” |
Author: | Raltar [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:28 pm ] |
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Quote: an area of the brain believed Which is why I can't be bothered to finish that article. They don't even **** know and they are trying to say **** that isn't even proven. |
Author: | Lex Luthor [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:34 pm ] |
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I think people from 3 mil BC - 1900 had healthy brains without GPS or cars. |
Author: | Taskiss [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:48 pm ] |
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I draft designs for furniture by hand and using SketchUp, and have always tested high with spatial pattern recognition tests, I can read a map with no problem and so on and so forth... ...but these skills all rely on following some sort of logic, something the streets of St. Louis don't. |
Author: | Stathol [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:52 pm ] |
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It's interesting. Many (all?) of the Australian aborigine languages use absolute spatial references (N/S/E/W) instead of observer-relative references (left/right/front/behind). Consequently, they have an uncanny sense of orientation and navigation. How Does Our Language Shape the Way We Think? Practice, practice, practice! |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:23 pm ] |
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Yeah, that fascinated me when you brought it up a couple months ago, Stathol. Really awesome stuff there. Definitely supports the "use it or lose it" that the article postulates, too. |
Author: | Lex Luthor [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:01 pm ] |
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Wikipedia wrote: It was found that the total volume of the hippocampus remained constant, from the control group vs. taxi drivers. That is to say that the posterior portion of a taxi driver's hippocampus is indeed increased, but at the expense of the anterior portion. There have been no known detrimental effects reported from this disparity in hippocampal proportions. Training at any skill can make areas of your brain grow or shrink in various ways, I bet. It doesn't mean your brain is eroding if you choose not to specialize in an activity. Kaffis Mark V wrote: Yeah, that fascinated me when you brought it up a couple months ago, Stathol. Really awesome stuff there. Definitely supports the "use it or lose it" that the article postulates, too. Yes, if you are skilled at something and stop practicing, you will lose proficiency in that skill. It doesn't degrade the quality of your brain though. |
Author: | Noggel [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:17 pm ] |
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That's just arguing semantics, though. Your brain would still have the ability to get good at spatial tasks again, but that doesn't contradict the "use it or lose it" idea. This is likely especially true on a practical level, since those who have 'lost it' would be even more likely to use a GPS. edit: Well, to a certain extent, at least! The brain seems to have a sort of give and take at times. There was a recent article at Ars Technica which is very on-topic for this thread regarding literacy and its effects on the brain. Here is a link. The gist of it is that literacy develops a certain part of the brain which could be used for other purposes if we weren't literate. This is a bit different than my original, pre-edit post in that literacy isn't something you have any real possibility to lose, so the conclusion seems to be you're going to permanently be missing out on some strengths elsewhere as a result. Interesting stuff though, and I encourage checking out this article too. :p |
Author: | Squirrel Girl [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:17 pm ] |
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Raltar wrote: Quote: an area of the brain believed Which is why I can't be bothered to finish that article. They don't even **** know and they are trying to say **** that isn't even proven. The problem is that there is a fair amount of variety in how each brain is organized. In other words, we are all not alike. A major difference are the people who are 'lateralizors" verses "nonlateralizors". Lateralizors are all right handed, have their major language centers in the left parieto-temporal cortex, and their major spacial (map/location/attention) centers in their right parieto-temporal cortex. Nonlateralizors are equally likely to be right or left handed or even ambidextrous. Spacial and language centers are randomly mixed up from side to side, so it is very hard to tell what a specific location in the brain does for them. Roughly 15% of the population are nonlateralizors. |
Author: | Lex Luthor [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:36 pm ] |
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Noggel wrote: That's just arguing semantics, though. Your brain would still have the ability to get good at spatial tasks again, but that doesn't contradict the "use it or lose it" idea. This is likely especially true on a practical level, since those who have 'lost it' would be even more likely to use a GPS. Being good at using maps is an obscure skill for most people nowadays. I don't see any stronger imperative for this than to be good at Starcraft, for example. The "use it or lose it" argument is weak since most important skills are used often. If you don't practice cursive writing then you'll lose the ability... but what's the big deal? Who is ever going to use a map again? I certainly won't. If I lose my GPS, I'll buy a new one. I'm not going to practice my map-finding skills so that 10 years from now I won't get lost during the 20 minute commute to the electronics store. Stores will always sell GPS devices... and if they don't, I'd likely starve to death before it mattered. (edit: Or they will be installed in every future vehicle) The article has some odd angle that your brain is in better shape if you practice driving without a GPS, almost analogous to weight-training. It's a poor argument in my opinion. |
Author: | Rynar [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:32 pm ] |
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It has been shown that exercising the brain strengthens it. To those ends I don't store phone numbers in my cell phone, nor do I own a GPS. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:40 pm ] |
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I don't use GPS either except for military ones, and those don't talk to you or "guide" you the way civilian ones do; they give you a direction and distance from one grid coordinate to another (they do more, but there's nothing that "talks you there".) Regardless of all the neuroscience, people should learn to do stuff manually before they start usign the gadget to do it for them. What if the damn thing breaks, or if you can't go that way because the road is closed? |
Author: | shuyung [ Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:36 pm ] |
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If only someone had posed these questions earlier. Perhaps 53 years ago. |
Author: | Lex Luthor [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:25 am ] |
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Diamondeye wrote: I don't use GPS either except for military ones, and those don't talk to you or "guide" you the way civilian ones do; they give you a direction and distance from one grid coordinate to another (they do more, but there's nothing that "talks you there".) Regardless of all the neuroscience, people should learn to do stuff manually before they start usign the gadget to do it for them. What if the damn thing breaks, or if you can't go that way because the road is closed? My GPS has a detour button. Also if it breaks I can buy a new one. Rynar wrote: It has been shown that exercising the brain strengthens it. To those ends I don't store phone numbers in my cell phone, nor do I own a GPS. I think that being awake exercises the brain. |
Author: | Rynar [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:44 am ] |
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Lex Luthor wrote: Rynar wrote: It has been shown that exercising the brain strengthens it. To those ends I don't store phone numbers in my cell phone, nor do I own a GPS. I think that being awake exercises the brain. It depends on what part of the brain you are trying to exercise. |
Author: | Noggel [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:20 am ] |
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Lex Luthor wrote: Being good at using maps is an obscure skill for most people nowadays. I don't see any stronger imperative for this than to be good at Starcraft, for example. The "use it or lose it" argument is weak since most important skills are used often. If you don't practice cursive writing then you'll lose the ability... but what's the big deal? Who is ever going to use a map again? I certainly won't. If I lose my GPS, I'll buy a new one. I'm not going to practice my map-finding skills so that 10 years from now I won't get lost during the 20 minute commute to the electronics store. Stores will always sell GPS devices... and if they don't, I'd likely starve to death before it mattered. (edit: Or they will be installed in every future vehicle) The article has some odd angle that your brain is in better shape if you practice driving without a GPS, almost analogous to weight-training. It's a poor argument in my opinion. I more or less agree -- so long as you're willing to be a little bit hamstrung in the event of losing GPS functionality temporarily, I have no problems with what you're saying. I'm not arguing that we should ditch GPS so that our brains are better. I'm simply bringing up that it does make changes in our brains. I think that's pretty interesting in and of itself. The article on literacy makes things even more interesting, IMO, since it adds a certain element that developing a given area of your brain may in and of itself lower your capability in some other area. This is probably the one area of science I would most like to see the look of 200 years in the future. |
Author: | Kirra [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:53 am ] |
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I use my GPS when I leave town, because it is much more convenient than trying to read a map while driving. I do not use a GPS when I need to go someplace unfamiliar around here. Mapquest is the best and I like being familiar with the area instead of relying on the GPS and not paying true attention on how to get there. |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:04 am ] |
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Kirra wrote: I use my GPS when I leave town, because it is much more convenient than trying to read a map while driving. I do not use a GPS when I need to go someplace unfamiliar around here. Mapquest is the best and I like being familiar with the area instead of relying on the GPS and not paying true attention on how to get there. This is pretty much how I function. Also, when I do use the GPS, I tend to look at the associated map of the route it's going to direct me on, anyways, so I know in a general sense what I'm trying to do. The GPS just keeps me from having to compare street names at each intersection. |
Author: | Lex Luthor [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:11 am ] |
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Rynar wrote: Lex Luthor wrote: Rynar wrote: It has been shown that exercising the brain strengthens it. To those ends I don't store phone numbers in my cell phone, nor do I own a GPS. I think that being awake exercises the brain. It depends on what part of the brain you are trying to exercise. The entire brain is functioning at all times. It's always exercising. There's always inputs from all 5 senses. If by "strengthened" you mean "better trained for a particular task", then you would be correct. |
Author: | Stathol [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:02 am ] |
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Kaffis Mark V wrote: Yeah, that fascinated me when you brought it up a couple months ago, Stathol. Hmmm. That must have been someone else. I just learned about this around a week ago. I think. Either that I somehow forget about it and re-learned it, but I can't find anything on this incarnation of the board. It is a mystery! |
Author: | Aizle [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:08 am ] |
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shuyung wrote: If only someone had posed these questions earlier. Perhaps 53 years ago. If the yardstick that we measure mental strength is the ability to do multiplication in your head, read a map or memorize phone numbers, then I believe that we are in grave trouble as a society. There are a myriad of ways to exercise the mind, some how holding mundane tasks up as the gold standard seems to setting our standards low. |
Author: | shuyung [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:15 am ] |
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Aizle wrote: If the yardstick that we measure mental strength is the ability to do multiplication in your head, read a map or memorize phone numbers, then I believe that we are in grave trouble as a society. There are a myriad of ways to exercise the mind, some how holding mundane tasks up as the gold standard seems to setting our standards low. I suspect you have missed the point of the story. |
Author: | Aizle [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:32 am ] |
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shuyung wrote: Aizle wrote: If the yardstick that we measure mental strength is the ability to do multiplication in your head, read a map or memorize phone numbers, then I believe that we are in grave trouble as a society. There are a myriad of ways to exercise the mind, some how holding mundane tasks up as the gold standard seems to setting our standards low. I suspect you have missed the point of the story. No, I get the point of the story, and it's a valid one. My only point is that the examples in the story and posted here are low hanging fruit. |
Author: | Stathol [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:35 am ] |
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Lex Luthor wrote: The entire brain is functioning at all times. It's always exercising. There's always inputs from all 5 senses. If by "strengthened" you mean "better trained for a particular task", then you would be correct. It's a little more complicated than just that. Different parts of the brain are, in fact, more active than others at any given moment, depending on what you're doing. And when you make your brain "better trained for a particular task", what this generally means at a biological level is that you've increased the number of neural interconnections in a particular region of the brain. As consequence, more work (in the liter, physics sense) is being done by that part of the brain. We can tell because of increased vascular structure (to meet the increased energy demands) in those regions of individuals skilled a particular task vs. the unskilled. And in a more general sense, we can actually see the increased vascular activity more or less in real-time using a functional MRI (fMRI). Different regions of the brain are clearly more active than others depending on task, and the amount of activity in a particular region of the brain correlates well with the skill set that maps to that region. There's an interesting case of boy (well, probably a grown man by now) who had a congenital abnormality in which his arms never developed (i.e., he was born with no arms, basically). He taught himself to write, brush his teeth, and do just about everything else using his feet instead of his hands. He agreed to be part of a study on the brain, and what they found was fascinating -- the regions of the brain corresponding to motor control and tactile response for his feet had an incredibly high number of neural connections compared to an average person. His brain's map of his feet was as detailed as a typical person's map of their hands. I wish I could remember his name, but it's been quite a few years since I saw the documentary he was featured in. Long story short, there's ample evidence of the brain's plasticity, and that specific regions of the brain can, in fact, be made "stronger" (more connections, more robust blood supply) merely through practice, and lots of it. Exactly how plastic the specific regions are, and under what conditions, is a an active area of neuroscience right now with a lot of applications for rehabilitation/therapy, education, childhood development, etc. A few other interesting facts/general observations: It really isn't the case that the entire brain is functioning all of the time. As pointed out above, at a particular time, some regions are active and some are not. But beyond that, at any given moment, only a very small portion of your synapses are actually engaged in transmitting a signal. It's good that your entire brain isn't functioning at once -- you'd be having a grand mal seizure (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/640/do-we-really-use-only-10-percent-of-our-brains) The brain accounts for only about 2% of your body mass. And yet, it accounts for about 15% of your blood supply, 20% of your oxygen supply, 25% of your blood glucose. (http://www.acnp.org/g4/gn401000064/ch064.html) |
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