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Author:  Vindicarre [ Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Analyzing The Efficiency Of Men Lifting Up Or Putting Down
The Toilet Seat!

Quote:
This paper develops an economic analysis of the toilet seat etiquette. I investigate whether there is any efficiency justification for the presumption that men should leave the toilet seat down after use. I find that the “down rule” is inefficient unless there is a large asymmetry in the inconvenience costs of shifting the position of the toilet seat across genders. I show that the “selfish” or the “status quo” rule that leaves the toilet seat in the position used dominates the down rule in a wide range of parameter spaces including the case where the inconvenience costs are the same. (JEL D7, H4)


Oh Lord, where do they find the time?
;)
Author:  Numbuk [ Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Analyzing The Efficiency Of Men Lifting Up Or Putting Do
Funny thing: I make more of a stink about my wife leaving the toilet lid up, since I go out of my way to put both the seat AND the lid down. I think many of the women (I didn't say "all") who generally complain about leaving the toilet seat up are just ones who don't want to do any seat/lid movement at all (ie: lazy). But that's just my not-too-serious opinion.
Author:  Kirra [ Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:28 am ]
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No no ..Numbuk...not that I'm lazy..it's just I'm half asleep and go in without turning on the light and fall in... If the rule was, put it down at night, I would be fine with it being left up during the day :p

My mom still hasn't trained my Dad after all these years.
Author:  Numbuk [ Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:27 am ]
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Kirra wrote:
No no ..Numbuk...not that I'm lazy..it's just I'm half asleep and go in without turning on the light and fall in... If the rule was, put it down at night, I would be fine with it being left up during the day :p

My mom still hasn't trained my Dad after all these years.


I understand. :)
Author:  Wwen [ Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:05 am ]
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Women should just check the seat before sitting down. I have to check and make sure it's up. I'm all for the equality of the sexes. If you can vote, you can lower the seat.
Author:  Kirra [ Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:49 am ]
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Women should just grow their *** big enough so they don't fall in, if they live with someone that won't put the seat down at night. Then equality is not an issue, it stays up all the time. ;)
Author:  Sam [ Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Analyzing The Efficiency Of Men Lifting Up Or Putting Do
Putting the seat back down= one less headache= good.
Author:  Kirra [ Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:05 am ]
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Lol, Sam, a little ambient music and putting the seat down works for the headaches? ;)
Author:  Corolinth [ Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:14 pm ]
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Your butt gets wet if you walk in half-asleep and sit down without checking? Boo hoo. Women talk about that as if men have to sit down to take a ****. As long as you don't live with a shaven monkey who doesn't flush the toilet when they're finished, it's just water.

Now the other side of the coin, that women don't have to deal with, is walking in half-asleep and cutting loose only to find out that the lid is down. Now it's 2a.m. and I have to go find the **** mop because I just pissed all over the lid, and now it's getting on the floor. If we happen to live with a woman, we probably also just pissed all over one of those stupid toilet covers that goes over the lid, and those stupid throw rugs are starting to soak up the mess on the floor, so now we also have to go start a load of laundry.

Except that since we're half-asleep, we don't notice that until the next morning when it's had half the night to sit, and get all nasty and rank. We check first. We learn to check at a very young age. It's the first thing our pappies teach us, even before we learn to write our names in the snow. There are a host of dangers that get in the way of our wangs and where we intend to pee: zippers, toilet seats, underwear, zippers, small animals, poison ivy, zippers, you name it.

The real issue here has nothing to do with any consequences of peeing at midnight. Women are just offended by the porcelain god. Just the thought that there's a commode nearby raises hairs on the back of their necks. That's why they want the seat down, that's why they want the door closed, and subsequently, why standard HVAC procedure in homes, hospitals, and hotels is to heat and cool bathrooms separately even if they're tiny little rooms the size of a closet.
Author:  Kirra [ Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:45 pm ]
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I don't need the lid down...I would prefer the seat down at night.

Win win..you don't pee on the lid, don't have to mop (or do laundry the next day) and I don't get a wet *** from falling in..clean water or not.

Truely don't know what ya mean by women not liking the toilet..we just don't feel the need to stay in there longer than necessary like men do.
Author:  Micheal [ Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:37 pm ]
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It is a control issue. Something so inconsequential as the position of the toilet seat being a relationship issue indicates that one of the couple is trying to get something their way. Why they have the need is the issue, not the position of the seat.
Author:  Wwen [ Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:15 pm ]
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Micheal wrote:
It is a control issue. Something so inconsequential as the position of the toilet seat being a relationship issue indicates that one of the couple is trying to get something their way. Why they have the need is the issue, not the position of the seat.

That's how I see it too. It not important, but my mother always made a HUUUUUge issue of it.
Author:  Sasandra [ Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:52 pm ]
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My opinion on toilet seat up or down is leave it wherever it was when you were done, and anyone stupid enough to sit down without looking first deserves to get their *** wet. The only exception to that is if you have a pet drinking toilet water issue, then seat and lid down always.
Author:  Aizle [ Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:53 pm ]
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Paging Taamar and her hilarious story of toilet etiquette, stairs, unconciousness and German polizei.
Author:  Squirrel Girl [ Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:58 pm ]
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Just want my son to FLUSH it.
Author:  LadyKate [ Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:02 pm ]
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Aizle I was just thinking the same thing. Fortunately, we saved it from last time: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1284&start=100
5th one from the top. :D
Author:  Taamar [ Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:18 pm ]
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Aizle wrote:
Paging Taamar and her hilarious story of toilet etiquette, stairs, unconciousness and German polizei.


By request, copied and pasted:

Once, long ago in a faraway land (Germany) I got up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom. I didn't turn the light on because I didn't want wake the baby, and I don't need glasses to pee, so I didn't see that the seat was up. Ever been to Germany? They like to examine their poop, so the toilets have these weird ledges that seem perfect for whacking a tailbone. Of course, I pissed myself at that point, but that's not the end of my suffering. The bathroom was an old converted closet with a sloped roof, which is fine when you are sitting normally, but caused me to whack my head standing up from the plunge. So now my butt bone hurts, and I've whacked my head and I'm wet... and I'm going to go kill my husband. I head back to the room and (remember no glasses?) run into the door edge-on. this splits my forehead, which bleeds profusely, but more importantly it causes me to stumble backwards and fall down the stairs. Mercifully, this knocks me out (and my husband slept right through it). A few hours later the trash guy comes along and finds a bloody bruised woman naked and unconscious/dead in front of a picture window and calls the polizei. German police don't have any hassles like warrants or Miranda rights, they bust down the door, which DOES wake Eric. He stumbles downstairs only to be grabbed and cuffed by shouting Germans. It's about at this point that I wake up. Neither of us speaks German, and they didn't think to bring a translator (we're off base but in an area dedicated to military housing), so while I'm dazed and hurting I'm trying to explain that this isn't an issue of domestic violence, just domestic stupidity. I ended up getting a robe and pantomiming the whole thing. They laughed at me, and the one woman officer there whacked Eric upside the head. Amazingly, the baby slept through the whole thing.

Eric never again left the seat up while we were married (though it was less than a year before I left him). I did see a facebook entry from his current wife saying that he's such a wonderful man he never forgets. I wonder if she's heard how he learned? You're welcome, Carmen!


As far as my position on the seat issue in general, women have smaller bladders and use the loo more. Also, because of our shorter urethra and childbearing duties we often have some control issues; half the time I can barely get my pants down in time. If I have to check the seat and possibly reposition it every time I'm going to be changing clothes several times a day.
Author:  Vindicarre [ Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:14 pm ]
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Kegel
Author:  Hopwin [ Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Analyzing The Efficiency Of Men Lifting Up Or Putting Do
Numbuk wrote:
Funny thing: I make more of a stink about my wife leaving the toilet lid up, since I go out of my way to put both the seat AND the lid down. I think many of the women (I didn't say "all") who generally complain about leaving the toilet seat up are just ones who don't want to do any seat/lid movement at all (ie: lazy). But that's just my not-too-serious opinion.

This is me. I have to keep the whole contraption locked down because the dog drinks from the giant porcelain water bowl that never empties...
Author:  LadyKate [ Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:40 pm ]
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Just out of curiosity....whats wrong with letting the dog drink out of the toilet. I mean, as long as you don't use one of those bleach tablet thingies that cleans as it flushes, what's the harm? The water out of the toilet is pretty fresh and any germs that might be in there are no worse than anything the dog gets from licking its own butt.
Author:  Hopwin [ Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:55 pm ]
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LadyKate wrote:
Just out of curiosity....whats wrong with letting the dog drink out of the toilet. I mean, as long as you don't use one of those bleach tablet thingies that cleans as it flushes, what's the harm? The water out of the toilet is pretty fresh and any germs that might be in there are no worse than anything the dog gets from licking its own butt.

I don't put the dog bowl in the bathroom so why would I let the dog drink out of the toilet? I know when I use the facilities I flush, but if a guest were over and failed to do so... well. It's best not to let the dog get in that habit.
Author:  TheRiov [ Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:22 pm ]
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dogs wont drink out of it if its 'contaminated' has been my experience. My Lab will eat ANYTHING but stays clear of an unflushed toilet.
Author:  Taamar [ Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:59 am ]
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LadyKate wrote:
Just out of curiosity....whats wrong with letting the dog drink out of the toilet. I mean, as long as you don't use one of those bleach tablet thingies that cleans as it flushes, what's the harm? The water out of the toilet is pretty fresh and any germs that might be in there are no worse than anything the dog gets from licking its own butt.


My objection would be that I don't want to sit in slimy dog drool splashes.
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