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Author:  Elmarnieh [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:21 am ]
Post subject:  Political Compass positions: That time of year

http://www.politicalcompass.org/test



Economic Left/Right: 8.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.51

Author:  Hopwin [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:58 am ]
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Oh, wtf I will bite:

Economic Left/Right: -0.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.69

Overall pretty centrist I suppose.

Author:  Talya [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:09 am ]
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Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79

My usual problems with this test still apply, they haven't corrected several loaded questions. It's still the best test of its kind I've seen, though.

Author:  Taskiss [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:15 am ]
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Pretty much same as always, nearly dead center -

Economic Left/Right: 3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.51

Author:  Lex Luthor [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:16 am ]
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Economic Left/Right: -1.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.46

I guess I'm turning slightly liberal. I still favor Ron Paul. :P

Author:  Oonagh [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:17 am ]
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Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.44

Author:  Mookhow [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:26 am ]
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Economic Left/Right: 0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.46

Author:  Foamy [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:26 am ]
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Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: 2.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.77

Author:  Rynar [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:25 pm ]
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Economic L/R: 6.88
Social L/A: -6.51

This quiz annoys me in that I believe it conflates individual value judgments with a desire for active legislative movement.

Author:  Talya [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:32 pm ]
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Rynar wrote:
This quiz annoys me in that I believe it conflates individual value judgments with a desire for active legislative movement.



Yes, that's one of the issues I've raised about it in the past.

There are libertarian, morally-conservative Christians who would argue that "Sex outside of marriage is always morally wrong," but they certainly don't want morals legislated.

Author:  Hopwin [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:54 pm ]
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Rynar wrote:
Economic L/R: 6.88
Social L/A: -6.51

This quiz annoys me in that I believe it conflates individual value judgments with a desire for active legislative movement.

Ditto, I operated from the assumption that it was in reference to legislation.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:41 pm ]
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Economic +4.38
Social +0.56

Author:  FarSky [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:52 pm ]
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Economic Left/Right: -5.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.31

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Author:  Vladimirr [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:24 pm ]
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Yikes, there's enough false dillemas in that thing to choke a horse. Plus the wording on some of the questions is just awful (overgeneralizations, etc...)

"In criminal justice, punishment should be more important than rehabilitation." With no N/A or neutral option, someone who believes they should be relatively balanced is forced to lean one direction or the other.

"Military action that defies international law is sometimes justified." Why not make it a sliding scale of "Never", "Rarely", "Often", "International law is bogus"? If you disagree in general, but in extremely specific rare (.0001%) cases it is justified, do you pick "Agree" or "Disagree". "Sometimes" means > 0, but I can guess what that does do your score results.

"The most important thing for children to learn is to accept discipline." What if it's the second or third option on someone's list? Is anyone going to pick discipline over, say, learning to speak? Learning to not touch fire? If you Disagree, are they giving you points for being some kind of liberal?

"An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." In what situations? Can someone really say that retribution is totally appropriate or inappropriate in every case?

That said, trying to navigate through, I'm pretty close to center.
Economic Left/Right: 0.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.51

Author:  Vindicarre [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:01 pm ]
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Economic Left/Right: 6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.10

Things like "Schools should not make classroom attendance compulsory", and "It is important that my child's school instills religious values" make me question whether they intend to say that the Gov't mandates this or if the individual schools (and thereby the parents) are the ones who mandate it.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:02 pm ]
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Vladimirr wrote:
Yikes, there's enough false dillemas in that thing to choke a horse. Plus the wording on some of the questions is just awful (overgeneralizations, etc...)

"In criminal justice, punishment should be more important than rehabilitation." With no N/A or neutral option, someone who believes they should be relatively balanced is forced to lean one direction or the other.

"Military action that defies international law is sometimes justified." Why not make it a sliding scale of "Never", "Rarely", "Often", "International law is bogus"?

"The most important thing for children to learn is to accept discipline." What if it's the second or third option on someone's list? Is anyone going to pick discipline over, say, learning to speak? Learning to not touch fire? If you Disagree, are they giving you points for being some kind of liberal?

"An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." In what situations? Can someone really say that retribution is totally appropriate or inappropriate in every case?

That said, trying to navigate through, I'm pretty close to center.
Economic Left/Right: 0.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.51


That's why there's the regular agree or disagree options and why so many questions have "Sometimes" or other qualifiers, or say things like "more important". Take the punishment vs. rehabilitation. If you think punishment is a lot more important, you put strongly agree, if a little, agree, if you think rehab is more important but not by a lot you put disagree and if a lot then you put strongly disagree.

The last one you cited clearly refers to throughout childhood. Children learn to speak or not touch hot things very early on, but learning to accept discipline takes pretty much all of childhood and sometimes into adulthood.

The questions are not that bad if you answer them as they are and don't mentally edit out qualifiers that make them less absolute.

Author:  Vladimirr [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:10 pm ]
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Diamondeye wrote:
That's why there's the regular agree or disagree options and why so many questions have "Sometimes" or other qualifiers, or say things like "more important". Take the punishment vs. rehabilitation. If you think punishment is a lot more important, you put strongly agree, if a little, agree, if you think rehab is more important but not by a lot you put disagree and if a lot then you put strongly disagree.

The last one you cited clearly refers to throughout childhood. Children learn to speak or not touch hot things very early on, but learning to accept discipline takes pretty much all of childhood and sometimes into adulthood.

The questions are not that bad if you answer them as they are and don't mentally edit out qualifiers that make them less absolute.


Yeah, sorry man, I was still editing my post when you replied. I'm not nuts about hardcoding the "sometimes" into the questions either, because again if you think it's wrong in 99.9999% percent of cases, but can possibly in some corner of your mind imagine a case where it's right, an agree/disagree toggle really doesn't work.

It's the same thing that bugs me about the popular personality testing that goes around the corporate environment every five or six years (MBTI, I'm looking at you...) You are forced into generic categories, and if you're right on the border between two categories the results can be inaccurate by quite a few percentage points. I'm guessing each question gets a range on one of the scales from -10 to 10 (or maybe an adjustable range, say a more moderate question from -6 to 8), and they assign a score along that range based where "Strongly Disagree" is one end of the range, "Strongly Agree" is at the other end, and the other two are placed out equidistant along the same line.

That margin of error increases when accompanied by vague statements. If you're going to do multiple choice, the best way to get realistic results is to put forth specific examples in clear terms. Vague statements (using absolutes or not) are no good for accurate polling. They should also use wording that is morally, emotionally, politically neutral, and does not indicate the leanings of the poll creator - ideally the poller objectively uses small factual pieces of information given by the pollee to derive a useful result.

"It's always bad when bad things happen"
Agree
Disagree (Poller notes - "This guy like bad things to happen, what a jerk")

Isn't any better than

"It's sometimes good when bad things happen".
Agree (99% of people may pick this, but you didn't gain any useful information from this question)
Disagree (Poller notes - "Closed minded, doesn't think universally")

Author:  Wwen [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:40 pm ]
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Talya wrote:
Rynar wrote:
This quiz annoys me in that I believe it conflates individual value judgments with a desire for active legislative movement.



Yes, that's one of the issues I've raised about it in the past.

There are libertarian, morally-conservative Christians who would argue that "Sex outside of marriage is always morally wrong," but they certainly don't want morals legislated.

This quiz is dumb and it gave me a picture of Obama after I was done... Unless that shows up for everyone?

Author:  Elmarnieh [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:03 pm ]
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OOOOO

http://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart.php?showform

Author:  Khross [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Political Compass positions: That time of year

Economic Left/Right: 8.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.51

Author:  FarSky [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:24 pm ]
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Elmarnieh wrote:


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Author:  Elmarnieh [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:25 pm ]
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Aww Khross and I are twins. *snooglebubblizzles*

Author:  Khross [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:28 pm ]
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Elmarnieh wrote:
Aww Khross and I are twins. *snooglebubblizzles*
Except, I bought a new shotgun just because of that score. I'm on my way to shoot you ... twice ... in the kneecaps.

Author:  shuyung [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:30 pm ]
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Not really distinguishing yourself from Elmo with that statement, if that was your intent.

Author:  Raltar [ Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:32 pm ]
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Economic Left/Right: 10.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.56

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