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Author: | LadyKate [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:46 am ] |
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One of our schools had 9 students pass out with fever, vomitting, and convulsions/seizures, after receiving the H1n1 vaccine at school. I wonder if this has happened other places and not been reported as well? Here is the article and the link: Spoiler: Here are the local comments, including one of the kids and a couple of parents: Spoiler: |
Author: | DFK! [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:34 pm ] |
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FWIW, YMMV: Hannity had two opposing doctors on a week or two ago for the viewpoints of "get the vaccine to protect you" and "don't get the vaccine it hasn't been properly tested clinically." Savage had a doctor on advocating that people make their own decision and not cow to pressure to get it (though both the doctor and host were leaning towards not getting it in a not-too-subtle way). |
Author: | Gorse [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:44 pm ] |
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If you have questions, I recommend going to a reliable source. The artciles are really sad, and the level of paranoia over government cover-ups and conspiracies always trouble me. The people in the article believe that the CDC is hiding information and causing hysteria to make money off the vaccine (the CDC does not, nor is it involved in any way with vaccine manufacturing)? So, I suppose I should not be surprised. Adverse reactions do happen to vaccines. Also contrary to the article comments, I think the parents were informed about the VAERS system, I know it discussed on the paperwork I read and signed before getting my normal flu vaccine (I think it may be required for any vaccine, but I would have to research it). People sign these forms and are asked if they understand them before getting the shots, but I seem to be digressing. More infor about VAERS here if interested: http://vaers.hhs.gov/index If you have questions about vaccine safety view this website: http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/ ... ety_qa.htm Which includes: However, on rare occasions, flu vaccination can cause serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions. A federal program has been created to help pay for the medical care and other specific expenses of certain persons who have a serious reaction to this vaccine. For more information about this program, call 1-888-275-4772 or visit the program’s website at: http://www.hrsa.gov/countermeasurescomp/default.htm. Of course I am assuming that this is for people that will trust the information from the HHS/CDC. Bottom line information to consider: The H1N1 strain has much higher attack rates on younger people than seasonal flu The H1N1 strain has much higher hospitalization rates, especially for younger people than seasonal flu Parents should consult with their physicians if they have any questions about the safety of their child getting a vaccine and/or risks involved. |
Author: | Squirrel Girl [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:07 pm ] |
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Gorse is correct. Also H1N1 does something that seasonal flu almost never does: it can kill the young and healthy. Not often, but it can. That is why it frightens people in health care. |
Author: | LadyKate [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:21 pm ] |
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I agree that getting vaccinated is probably wiser than not, and I also think there is too much fear and conspiracy theorizing going on, but still...how do 9 kids all at once get fever, vomiting, and seizures right after getting vaccinated? |
Author: | Screeling [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:35 pm ] |
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LadyKate wrote: I agree that getting vaccinated is probably wiser than not, and I also think there is too much fear and conspiracy theorizing going on, but still...how do 9 kids all at once get fever, vomiting, and seizures right after getting vaccinated? Watching too many Pokemon videos? |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:52 pm ] |
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Vaccines always (well, usually, I suppose -- I guess not all vaccines are live strains) have the chance of infecting you. That's what they do -- try to give you a weaker strain that your body can handle and learn from. It's just the paranoia surrounding H1N1 that made this news, IMO. |
Author: | Squirrel Girl [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:05 pm ] |
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There are 2 forms of H1N1 vaccine: Live (nasal spray) and killed (shot). Kids get the live because they usually do not respond well enough to the killed vaccine to get immunity. |
Author: | Lydiaa [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:47 pm ] |
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The current shot vaccination for swine flu, which are being used is actually an inactive form of the live virus (aka half dead). This is due to the demand in time and there was not enough time to create a recombinate DNA/RNA virus for vaccination like they usually do for flu shots (aka completely not viable or dead). This has caused many issues with people taking them, however keep in mind that it is better to take the shot and go to the hospital, than not taking it, getting it, and not going to the hospital thinking it's just a normal flu. It would be interesting to know of the sample size for these kids, 9 in 200 would be alarming, while i wouldn't worry too much if it was 9 in 1000. Also I would not advise you to take the vaccination LK, considering the due date, it would probably be better for you to get vaccinated after the birth of your child and pass the immunity along through breast feeding. |
Author: | LadyKate [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:01 pm ] |
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Lydiaa I was fully prepared to do so, but my doctor told me that it would be against medical advice to get the flu shot right now because he said the shot would not be safe for me and the baby so close to delivery since it still a live virus. I was really hoping to get the shot and be able to protect both myself and the baby, but that is not to be I guess. My hope is that after i deliver i can get the shot and at least some immunity will pass through my breast milk to the baby. |
Author: | Lydiaa [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:27 pm ] |
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The wonderful thing about the human body is that through breast milk you can pass most if not all your immunity to them (as long as you keep breast feeding). So get your flu shots or what ever else and feed away. The little bugger will be healthier for it. However once you start running low on mummy shakes, look into getting him? her? vaccinated. |
Author: | LadyKate [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:53 pm ] |
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Lydiaa wrote: The wonderful thing about the human body is that through breast milk you can pass most if not all your immunity to them (as long as you keep breast feeding). So get your flu shots or what ever else and feed away. The little bugger will be healthier for it. However once you start running low on mummy shakes, look into getting him? her? vaccinated. Thats comforting, thanks! I'm hoping to breastfeed for a full year, at least 6 months if nothing else and at 6 months he will be able to get those shots. |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:55 pm ] |
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Everything I've been told, LK, indicates that the first 6 mo. are the most important for transferring the immunities and such through breastfeeding. I'd imagine that you don't need to be told this, but, be sure to be extra cautious who touches your baby (keeping in mind everyone wants to touch babies). |
Author: | Lydiaa [ Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:19 pm ] |
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That's actually a common misconception Vin. The mother passes over immunoglobulins to the child, nothing else (no white cells) meaning once the breast feeding stops, that immunity slowly drains away. This is when the immunisation starts and the child starts building it's own infection library so to speak. Babies are more resiliant than people give them credit for, so dropping them a few times wont hurt (please don't try this at home on purpose). This is also why it is better to get certain things when you're younger than when you're older (mumphes, measels). However in terms of flus, it's best to keep young kids immunised with recombinant dna/rna vaccinations. |
Author: | Aegnor [ Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:26 am ] |
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Lydiaa wrote: The current shot vaccination for swine flu, which are being used is actually an inactive form of the live virus (aka half dead). So one could say it is an undead virus? *goes to pick up a shotgun and a ton of ammo* |
Author: | Lalaas [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:11 pm ] |
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Lydiaa wrote: <snip>This is when the immunisation starts and the child starts building it's own infection library so to speak. Babies are more resiliant than people give them credit for, so dropping them a few times wont hurt (please don't try this at home on purpose). This is why we've fed our 2 kids a spoonful of dirt every day since they started solids. Resilience FTW! And they *do* get used to the gritty taste after a while... |
Author: | Serienya [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:00 pm ] |
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The shot that my company makes is a killed virus, the nasal spray is attenuated. Medications and vaccinations can cause some side effects. Some don't respond well to them. But to say that this one hasn't been adequately tested is bogus. If this strain of influenza had emerged earlier, it would have been part of the normal seasonal flu vaccine, and no one would have blinked an eye. The H1N1 vaccine is made the same way as the normal flu vaccine, which has a great safety record overall. It's just a different strain. People are just over-hyping the few instances where there were significant side effects because OMG SWINE FLU VACCINE!!! Such reactions for other vaccinations get almost no media coverage. |
Author: | Elmarnieh [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:19 pm ] |
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You joke but I'm considering sprinkling dirt in my kids food when I have them. Go out and fall down and scrape your knee! Thats it. Now go roll around in that moldy leaf pile. Good job. |
Author: | Lydiaa [ Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:03 pm ] |
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Kids are pretty good at putting all sorts of weird stuff in their mouthes without the added need to sprinkle stuff in their food. |
Author: | Ienan [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:19 pm ] |
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Serienya wrote: The shot that my company makes is a killed virus, the nasal spray is attenuated. Medications and vaccinations can cause some side effects. Some don't respond well to them. But to say that this one hasn't been adequately tested is bogus. If this strain of influenza had emerged earlier, it would have been part of the normal seasonal flu vaccine, and no one would have blinked an eye. The H1N1 vaccine is made the same way as the normal flu vaccine, which has a great safety record overall. It's just a different strain. People are just over-hyping the few instances where there were significant side effects because OMG SWINE FLU VACCINE!!! Such reactions for other vaccinations get almost no media coverage. Hear hear. Vaccines are composed of a lot more than just the inactivated or attenuated virions. You also need a chassis that includes chemicals that preserve the product, extend shelf life, enhance the effectiveness of the vaccine, etc. All of these extra ingredients cause potential allergies and side effects. That being said, if you don't want to get the vaccine, then don't get the vaccine. I'm not doing it, but that's because I'm a young, healthly adult. But the choice is between you and your doctor. |
Author: | Serienya [ Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:43 am ] |
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Ienan wrote: Hear hear. Vaccines are composed of a lot more than just the inactivated or attenuated virions. You also need a chassis that includes chemicals that preserve the product, extend shelf life, enhance the effectiveness of the vaccine, etc. All of these extra ingredients cause potential allergies and side effects. That being said, if you don't want to get the vaccine, then don't get the vaccine. I'm not doing it, but that's because I'm a young, healthly adult. But the choice is between you and your doctor. And, from what I understand, H1N1 vaccines in the US contain no adjuvants. They weren't approved here for the vaccine. And, for those worried about mercury exposure, they have doses without the Hg-containing preservative. I got the vaccine because my company offered it to those in the high risk categories (they had to get approval by the CDC to have a clinic for employees). Asthma seems to be the underlying medical condition associated most frequently with H1N1-related hospitalization, so even though my asthma is mild, I'm not taking any chances considering that I'm especially prone to respiratory illnesses. (Now if I could just get over this damn sinus infection!) |
Author: | Gorse [ Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Local Kids hospitalized after H1n1 vaccine.... |
I did some searching and did locate some information about the H1N1 vaccine. Of the 42 million already allocated doses (with estimates pushing 85% having been used) there have been less than 2,000 adverse reactions reported (through the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System [VAERS]) and of those reported, less than 100 considered serious. These numbers are very similar to the number of reports received under similar seasonal influenza vaccine distribution. |
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