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| Author: | RangerDave [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Measuring Generosity |
Just curious. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:19 pm ] |
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Mark 12:44 should answer that for anyone who claims to be Christian. |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:31 pm ] |
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Generosity comes from the heart, and cannot therefore be measured. The most generous donate of their time, comfort, and patience. |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:36 pm ] |
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Interesting. The poll assumes poor people are automatically more generous. |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:52 pm ] |
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I'd offer up a 3rd option. How effective they are. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:54 pm ] |
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Corolinth wrote: Interesting. The poll assumes poor people are automatically more generous. You mean the second option in the poll assumes poor people are automatically more generous. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Measuring Generosity |
Which biases the poll in its entirety ... |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:00 pm ] |
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No, the combination of both does. It is possible, though perhaps unlikely, for a poor person to give more than a rich person. It is possible, but much less likely for a rich person to keep less than a poor person even if the poor person gives nothing. |
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| Author: | RangerDave [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:01 pm ] |
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Talya wrote: Corolinth wrote: Interesting. The poll assumes poor people are automatically more generous. You mean the second option in the poll assumes poor people are automatically more generous. Not necessarily (to both Taly and Coro). You could view "how much" in terms of percentages or some more esoteric sense such as Arathain suggests. Even if you take a strict "absolute dollars" interpretation, though, (which, tbh, is what I had in mind when I started the thread) a rich person could give away enough to make themselves poorer than the poor person, in which case they'd be more generous by either measure. |
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| Author: | RangerDave [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:06 pm ] |
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Aizle wrote: I'd offer up a 3rd option. How effective they are. How does effectiveness serve as a measure of generosity? I'm not seeing the connection. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Measuring Generosity |
Code: [ A B C ]
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:20 pm ] |
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Now all we need is a word to attach the prefix "eigen-" to. How about eigengenerosity? |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:21 pm ] |
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RangerDave wrote: Aizle wrote: I'd offer up a 3rd option. How effective they are. How does effectiveness serve as a measure of generosity? I'm not seeing the connection. My view is that offering up a huge amount of time or money that ultimately doesn't effectively change the situation of those you're trying to be generous with only makes the giver feel better, not actually be what I define as generosity. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:21 pm ] |
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Corolinth wrote: Now all we need is a word to attach the prefix "eigen-" to. How about eigengenerosity? That goes with the eigenlife thread! ...You, good sir, just created a meme. |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:24 pm ] |
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What eigenlife thread? I was referring to the propensity for mathematicians to attach that prefix to anything and everything that pops up in the context of matrix algebra. |
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| Author: | Stathol [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:24 pm ] |
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Corolinth wrote: Now all we need is a word to attach the prefix "eigen-" to. How about eigengenerosity? eigenerosity |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:58 pm ] |
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Doesn't quite work, but I think I see what you're getting at. Eigengenerosity is sort of cumbersome, especially visually. What about eigencharity? |
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| Author: | Stathol [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Measuring Generosity |
Yeah, "eigenerosity" is kind of 1.21 jiggawatt-y. Linerosity? Eigenalms would be a good name for the act itself. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:01 pm ] |
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I don't know, but I don't like this poll. Certainly more about a heart action than a percentage or a dollar one. Azile, A person could donate to build an entire hosptial to have his name on the building and for the PR and a tax write off. Does that make him generous, or just a smart business man? |
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| Author: | Rynar [ Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:03 pm ] |
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Aizle just made a fantastic argument against taxation and government social programs, and no one noticed. |
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| Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:11 pm ] |
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Lol, Rynar. |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:58 pm ] |
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Rynar wrote: Aizle just made a fantastic argument against taxation and government social programs, and no one noticed. You are confusing charity/generosity with civic duty. |
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| Author: | Rynar [ Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:37 pm ] |
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Aizle wrote: Rynar wrote: Aizle just made a fantastic argument against taxation and government social programs, and no one noticed. You are confusing charity/generosity with civic duty. Please forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't you recently make a statement about favoring government action over private charity, possibly even stating that the latter should be done away with in favor of the former? |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:47 pm ] |
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Aizle wrote: RangerDave wrote: Aizle wrote: I'd offer up a 3rd option. How effective they are. How does effectiveness serve as a measure of generosity? I'm not seeing the connection. My view is that offering up a huge amount of time or money that ultimately doesn't effectively change the situation of those you're trying to be generous with only makes the giver feel better, not actually be what I define as generosity. Wait.. if you give a whole bunch of time and/or money and it turns out later on that it was futile, it's not generosity? Your generosity is just about making yourself feel better because it ultimately didn't work out the way you thought it would? |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:27 pm ] |
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Rynar wrote: Aizle wrote: Rynar wrote: Aizle just made a fantastic argument against taxation and government social programs, and no one noticed. You are confusing charity/generosity with civic duty. Please forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't you recently make a statement about favoring government action over private charity, possibly even stating that the latter should be done away with in favor of the former? I believe there should be a government provided safety net, that supplies the bare minimums need to live. Anything beyond that needs to be something that people need to learn how to supply themselves by working. Aside from possibly some disaster relief type programs, I don't really like charity organizations of any kind. The only kind of charity that I give is personal, where I'm the one providing the time/money/assistance directly. |
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