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Author: | LadyKate [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:58 am ] |
Post subject: | Facebook message frees NYC robbery suspect |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33883605/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/ Quote: NEW YORK - A 19-year-old New York City man arrested on robbery charges has been exonerated thanks to his Facebook page — and a request for pancakes. Rodney Bradford was held for 12 days on suspicion of robbing two people on Oct. 17 in the Brooklyn public housing complex where he lives. Bradford and witnesses insisted he was innocent. They said he was at his father's Harlem apartment when the crime occurred. And, a playful message was posted on Bradford's Facebook page one minute before the robbery. In it, he asked his girlfriend where his pancakes were. On Oct. 17 at 11:49 a.m., Bradford left the Facebook message, an inside joke to his girlfriend that read: "WHERE MY IHOP?" The seemingly innocuous post became a major legal tool, as his defense attorneys were able to prove that the Facebook message was left from the IP address at Bradford's father's Harlem home, just as he had said. More than 13 miles away at the time of the crime in Brooklyn, lawyers said it was impossible that Bradford committed the mugging. The vernacular — the slangy reference to pancakes —also helped. "It is just a very strong alibi," Bradford's lawyer, Robert Reuland, told The New York Post. "It reflects the pervasiveness that Web sites and social networking has on our lives." Bradford's stepmother, Ernestine Bradford, told the Post that "Facebook saved my son ... Normally, we yell at our kids, 'Oh, you're on the computer!' It's completely different. If it wasn't for Facebook, my son wouldn't be here." Legal precedent? Some legal experts said the case set a precedent. “This is the first case that I’m aware of in which a Facebook update has been used as alibi evidence,” said John G. Browning, a lawyer in Dallas who studies social networking and the law. “We are going to see more of that because of how prevalent social networking has become," he told The New York Times. Jonah Bruno, a spokesman for Brooklyn District Attorney Charles J. Hynes, told the Times that the case is sealed and he could not discuss details. But he did acknowledge that Facebook was key to the dropped charges, The Times said.. “The prosecution contacted Facebook,” Bruno told The Times. "We were told of this alibi and we contacted people, researched and discovered that it was accurate.” "They had me on Rikers Island for 12 days. It was really miserable," Bradford told the New York Post. "If it wasn't for Facebook I'd still be on Rikers Island," he said. I don't quite know what to think of that. |
Author: | Micheal [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:02 pm ] |
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Justice comes in many ways. Now that it is a precedent, people will find ways to abuse it. "Hey Homie, just press send on my laptop, don't ask no questions." Even easier, set up a delayed send, though that might be detectable with a computer literate enough prosecution team. |
Author: | Corolinth [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:19 pm ] |
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They already hire engineers as consultants in a lot of cases of liability. I see no reason why a murder trial couldn't and shouldn't hire a software engineer as a consultant. |
Author: | shuyung [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:25 pm ] |
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In this case, it does not appear that there is any reason to believe the suspect planned ahead of time to falsify his location via this means. That being said, yes, this somewhat publicizes avenues that were already in place, and validates their usage. |
Author: | Rafael [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:52 pm ] |
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That guy probably got 100 friend requests with the message "WHERE MY IHOP?" |
Author: | Screeling [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:06 pm ] |
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So did he get his pancakes or what? |
Author: | Micheal [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:18 pm ] |
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I'm sure he's willing to buy the Facebook guys that validated his alibi some pancakes right about now. |
Author: | Nevandal [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:19 pm ] |
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Wow, this is an amazing story. |
Author: | Raltar [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:38 pm ] |
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I still find it hard to believe. He could have easily had his father or brother or anyone that's allowed to be in his father's house to make the post for him while he robbed these people. Not saying that is what happened, but it's too easy to fake something like this. Facebook should not be allowed to provide an alibi. |
Author: | Müs [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:00 pm ] |
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Yeah. He looks like he did it. |
Author: | Mookhow [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Facebook message frees NYC robbery suspect |
How is this different from any other alibi? Looks like it's only newsworthy because it's OMG teh intarwebs! |
Author: | darksiege [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:11 pm ] |
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can we throw him in jail for dressing like an *******? |
Author: | Numbuk [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Facebook message frees NYC robbery suspect |
Yeah, there are obviously way too many holes here for this to be indisputable proof. Now, if they could produce the machine he used and it had fingerprint ID scanning (lenovo rules) and that it wasn't set up to be used by anyone else.... that would be a stronger (yet not PERFECT) case. If the man really is innocent, then I am glad for him. I don't think I can convey just how much I hate our judicial system though. In almost every possible way it is an utter joke. |
Author: | Micheal [ Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:30 pm ] |
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Our system is set up so that proof must be beyond reasonable doubt. The Facebook post alibi definitely provides reasonable doubt given they have nothing other than eyewitness testimony, which is usually questionable anyway, to prove he did it. The outfit he has on in the picture is so common as to prove nothing. He probably looks a whole lot like the guys he hangs out with, half the guys around the neighborhood. He isn't remarkably anything. In this case, no real proof he was there and a reasonable alibi and I'd rather he walked then another imprisonment of a probably innocent man. |
Author: | Raell [ Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:25 am ] |
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darksiege wrote: can we throw him in jail for dressing like an *******? Most 19 year old kids I know dress like assholes. I can't hold that against him. |
Author: | Midgen [ Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:05 am ] |
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Digital forensics isn't really new, but it is becoming much more popular. I spent some time in an investigations unit in Maryland when i was in the air force, and there were quite a few cases where digital evidence was used to convict or defend someone. |
Author: | darksiege [ Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:37 am ] |
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Raell wrote: Most 19 year old kids I know dress like assholes. I can't hold that against him. I whole heartedly advocate the following dress/behavior modifications: - Throwing all those who look like thugs into jail until they consent to letting the 'Queer Eye' guys and 'What not to Wear' cast redo their wardrobe. - Punching the emo adults until they have something to be depressed about. - Making Metrosexuals spend a day working in filth and not letting them get a manicure - Making the people who look homeless and are not take showers and get manicures - Make the people who only wear "grunge" clothes (even to semi formal events) wear Dockers and Polo shirts until they are willing to mind their appearance. - I will be good with just giving real homeless people a hot shower and a meal. I can find something in the way of manual labor to help them work for their shower and meal. |
Author: | Serienya [ Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:51 am ] |
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darksiege wrote: I whole heartedly advocate the following dress/behavior modifications: - Throwing all those who look like thugs into jail until they consent to letting the 'Queer Eye' guys and 'What not to Wear' cast redo their wardrobe. - Punching the emo adults until they have something to be depressed about. - Making Metrosexuals spend a day working in filth and not letting them get a manicure - Making the people who look homeless and are not take showers and get manicures - Make the people who only wear "grunge" clothes (even to semi formal events) wear Dockers and Polo shirts until they are willing to mind their appearance. - I will be good with just giving real homeless people a hot shower and a meal. I can find something in the way of manual labor to help them work for their shower and meal. So... you have the Queer Eye guys create more metrosexuals, only to make them turn around and get all grungy again? |
Author: | darksiege [ Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:51 am ] |
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Serienya wrote: So... you have the Queer Eye guys create more metrosexuals, only to make them turn around and get all grungy again? I would see it more as the Queer Eye guys showing men that they can dress like a well groomed person without going to extreme's. Show them that they can wear the grateful dead or Tupac T-Shirt without it looking like you are trying to spread a message; because you can successfully turn around and wear a Pierre Cardin suit or something nice and not just be a thug or slob. Without making a lifestyle of being perfectly manicured... you can have a dress down day or even a week, but then turn around and look like you take some pride in your appearance. (not any 'you' in specific.. just the general 'you') |
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