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Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:03 am ]
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And they've even actually started experiments


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A warp drive to achieve faster-than-light travel — a concept popularized in television's Star Trek — may not be as unrealistic as once thought, scientists say.

A warp drive would manipulate space-time itself to move a starship, taking advantage of a loophole in the laws of physics that prevent anything from moving faster than light. A concept for a real-life warp drive was suggested in 1994 by Mexican physicist Miguel Alcubierre, however subsequent calculations found that such a device would require prohibitive amounts of energy.

Now physicists say that adjustments can be made to the proposed warp drive that would enable it to run on significantly less energy, potentially brining the idea back from the realm of science fiction into science.

"There is hope," Harold "Sonny" White of NASA's Johnson Space Center said here Friday (Sept. 14) at the 100 Year Starship Symposium, a meeting to discuss the challenges of interstellar spaceflight.

Warping space-time

An Alcubierre warp drive would involve a football-shape spacecraft attached to a large ring encircling it. This ring, potentially made of exotic matter, would cause space-time to warp around the starship, creating a region of contracted space in front of it and expanded space behind.

Meanwhile, the starship itself would stay inside a bubble of flat space-time that wasn't being warped at all.

"Everything within space is restricted by the speed of light," explained Richard Obousy, president of Icarus Interstellar, a non-profit group of scientists and engineers devoted to pursuing interstellar spaceflight. "But the really cool thing is space-time, the fabric of space, is not limited by the speed of light."

With this concept, the spacecraft would be able to achieve an effective speed of about 10 times the speed of light, all without breaking the cosmic speed limit.

The only problem is, previous studies estimated the warp drive would require a minimum amount of energy about equal to the mass-energy of the planet Jupiter.

But recently White calculated what would happen if the shape of the ring encircling the spacecraft was adjusted into more of a rounded donut, as opposed to a flat ring. He found in that case, the warp drive could be powered by a mass about the size of a spacecraft like the Voyager 1 probe NASA launched in 1977.

Furthermore, if the intensity of the space warps can be oscillated over time, the energy required is reduced even more, White found.


"The findings I presented today change it from impractical to plausible and worth further investigation," White told SPACE.com. "The additional energy reduction realized by oscillating the bubble intensity is an interesting conjecture that we will enjoy looking at in the lab."

Laboratory tests

White and his colleagues have begun experimenting with a mini version of the warp drive in their laboratory.

They set up what they call the White-Juday Warp Field Interferometer at the Johnson Space Center, essentially creating a laser interferometer that instigates micro versions of space-time warps.

"We're trying to see if we can generate a very tiny instance of this in a tabletop experiment, to try to perturb space-time by one part in 10 million," White said.

He called the project a "humble experiment" compared to what would be needed for a real warp drive, but said it represents a promising first step.

And other scientists stressed that even outlandish-sounding ideas, such as the warp drive, need to be considered if humanity is serious about traveling to other stars.

"If we're ever going to become a true spacefaring civilization, we're going to have to think outside the box a little bit, were going to have to be a little bit audacious," Obousy said.

Author:  Raell [ Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:36 am ]
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Huh... Well I wish them luck and hope in doing so they don't open a door to another dimention full of zombies.

Author:  Numbuk [ Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:48 am ]
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I hope they are also developing some means of a navigation system to go along with it. Everything in the night sky is billions of miles from where it used to be.

Pretty cool though. I doubt we'll see it in our lifetime or our grandchildrens lifetimes, but cool nonetheless.


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Author:  Elmarnieh [ Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:18 pm ]
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It's been possible for a long time now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

Author:  DFK! [ Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:29 pm ]
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Elmarnieh wrote:
It's been possible for a long time now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive


You're correct; however, feasible and possible aren't the same thing.

Author:  TheRiov [ Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:07 am ]
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Ok, there is still the difficulty in conducting a spaceship sized ring of exotic matter. So you don't have to TC a planet the size of Jupiter.

Oh yeah. And you still have to come across the still-theoretical space warp in the first place. Once you have it, you can move it, but i'm not holding my breath. Then again you have to figure out how to get out of the area of warped space to begin with.

Author:  Talya [ Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:27 am ]
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TheRiov wrote:
Ok, there is still the difficulty in conducting a spaceship sized ring of exotic matter. So you don't have to TC a planet the size of Jupiter.

Oh yeah. And you still have to come across the still-theoretical space warp in the first place. Once you have it, you can move it, but i'm not holding my breath. Then again you have to figure out how to get out of the area of warped space to begin with.


"Warping" (curvature) of space is not "theoretical" in the sense you're describing.

Manipulating that curvature with something other than ridiculously large amounts of mass, well, that's very theoretical.

Author:  TheRiov [ Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:45 pm ]
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Yes, yes. The effect of mass on space-time is not theoretical.

Warping to create a bubble as described is however. My understanding is that while such bubbles are valid solutions of Einstein's equations, there is no known way to generate said warping. Assuming you stumbled across such a warp bubble, then you could use the an Alcubierre Drive to move the warp bubble around.

Maybe I'm misreading.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:53 pm ]
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That's what they're working on doing in the lab. No one is going to build a working spaceship on this principle any time soon.

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