The Glade 4.0

I think this Heckfire thing is a great idea. I disagree with some of you on certain subjects, but I look forward to being able to discuss those subjects without worrying about derails and arguments.

Note: Please see mirror thread in Hellfire for some further thoughts.

As with any forum it's going to succeed or not based on the merit of the posting. If the content is good quality and the rules don't stifle the posters ability to respond, then it should do well.

My worry is that after watching the recent devolution in Hellfire that led to this distinction that I have no idea the things that some people consider a horribly offensive comment ::shrugs::

But then that is always the problem with moderation- text does not always read the same way to everyone.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Sad waste of time, but if it makes the mods think they are addressing some issue that isn't really the cause, its their board.

Moderation is always pointless and only serves to cause more problems than a lack of moderation.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Then don't post in this one and stick to Hellfire.

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The Dude abides.

:p

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Holy shitsnacks!

I happen to agree but there is also something to be said for a controlled environment to increase the signal to noise ratio. We're trying to provide for both.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

So is undermining the moderation allowed in this thread, or should I report Elmo and Ladas?

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

Heckfire is dumb. The moderation in Hellfire was bad enough, but this is just silly.

How do you mean? Too much, too little or what?

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

It's a sad and pathetic waste of time. The mod staff is wimping out the same way they did on Glade 2.0 and 3.0, and so is the administration staff. The only difference is that instead of getting depressed and whining about the sad state of Hellfire, woe is me, the board that I love has irrevocably gone to **** and nobody can possibly fix it, weren't the good old days great? The current admin is beating his chest like a gorilla and pretending that he and his moderators are actually doing something.

When faced with one new problem, just one, that hadn't existed for years prior to this incarnation of the board, dating all the way back to Sunmoon's board, the moderators and admins ran away with their tails tucked between their legs, locked Hellfire, and hid. When faced with the existing problems of Hellfire, that we had appointed moderators to deal with, they issued a few ineffectual warnings, but only did so under duress because most of them don't actually read Hellfire to begin with.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

If only you could lead us Coro!

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

Now it could just be me, but where in the rules does it say that undermining or disagreeing with moderation is against the rules?

I just read through them again, several times, to be sure, but I just can't seem to find that clause.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Heh, funny.

This won't work. Hellfire will spill into this one. You know the problem and still won't permantly deal with it. Give it 3 months and you won't be able to tell the difference.

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."

People getting emotional and specifically lashing out at those they feel have personally wronged them? That's human nature. Can't do anything to contain it, other than hope people can be mature enough to realize that it's just an online discussion board, and insulate themselves enough from what is posted here to not become verbally violent.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

If anything this board wont have anyone that can see it. With expectations set (after a period of adjusting... we're still talking this out so I'm laying off for now)... I'll have no problems banning people from this forum and not caring who was right or wrong. So you wont be able to fight here, eventually.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

Fair question.

First, let me say that how I generally view posting is this: There's nothing that I have posted that I wouldn't say to your face. That doesn't mean I've never gotten out of line, but I get out of line from time to time in RL too. When I do, I take what I deserve like a man and pull the boot out of my *** when I get home. That's, in general, how I feel it should be here.

Rules are fine. Only bullies have a problem with rules when it comes to how others are treated. Moderation is simply enforcing the rules, which again, is fine in theory. Without moderation, people self-moderate, and moderate each other.

The problem with moderation is when people don't know what to expect. For example, people are going around calling each other pathetic and acting like they are better than everyone, and I got a warning from DFK for telling someone, I kid you not, to lighten up. Vigilante moderation, or some such nonsense. So apparently, we aren't allowed to moderate each other.

It is an impossibility that the mods will be able to/take the time to moderate this board consistently and fairly. So why have we developed a system that requires this? All this has produced is a bunch of whiny little self-important crybabies that either try to game the system and cry when they get caught or try to use the system to their advantage.

If this were my board, here is how I would handle it. I would post rules, I would not moderate actively. I would, as part of the rules, warn everyone that if you piss me off, I'll ban you for 3 days. If you piss me off tons, I'll ban you. Now, everyone knows the rules, and knows that enforcement is at my whim. I'm not claiming to be fair, I'm not claiming to be consistent, because I know I cannot be. In general, I think that would keep people under a reasonable amount of control. When (not if) the board spins out of control as it has now, I swoop in, ban half the board for 3 days, and all is well again. At least nobody would be crying about the moderation, because I laid it out beforehand.

Arathain,

The vigilante moderation rule was removed a while back, at popular request, iirc.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

If you're just going to ban people from this section of the board regardless of who did what, it's pointless. It's inevitably going to result in people getting banned just for disagreeing with each other because what it's really saying is that making things "nice" is more important than discussing the things that are the reason we want to have a controversial section in the first place.

If you want to have a moderated section, great, but quite frankly if people want not to be disagreed with then they shouldn't be posting in a controversial topics forum at all. If it's going to be moderated, then moderate it; don't just ban people wholesale to avoid having to make a call that some people won't like. Don't ban people because you're getting lots of PMs and reports; tell the people complaining about frivolous issues or trying to use the moderation as a weapon to knock it off or they'll get a warning/suspension too.

As for those of you who like to complain about the moderators' decisions: get over it.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Months ago. In fact, very shortly after we realized that such a rule didn't make any sense. Indeed, Arathain's post may have been the catalyst for that removal. Furthermore, Arathain is oversimplifying the issue at the time, since he was responding to moderator commentary on an issue and telling the moderator to lighten up.



You're right. Undermining isn't really the correct phrase. I was speaking in generalities of the "ignoring or disrespecting a post made by a Moderator in that capacity."

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

There are no posts in this thread made by a moderator in that capacity, so I'm not sure what you are referring to.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Mainly, humor.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

I guess I'm just not in a very humorous mood right now

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.