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| Author: | Khross [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Scott Brown sold out ... |
in record time. Apparently he voted for the near useless Jobs Bill in the Senate yesterday. |
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| Author: | Dash [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:34 am ] |
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Yeah that's uh, yeah. I mean, he is in Massachusetts. Had to know it was coming. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Scott Brown sold out ... |
So much for being an independent though ... |
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| Author: | Dash [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:38 am ] |
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In his mind I think this is making him look independent. "See I can vote with the Democrats"? I dont know. That or his people are telling him you need to get behind anything labeled "more jobs". |
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| Author: | Screeling [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:24 am ] |
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I know Rynar said this dude was conservative, but I just have a hard time believing it. |
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| Author: | Ladas [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:06 am ] |
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Appears all he did was vote to end discussion on the bill. I have no problem with someone ending debate on a topic in which everyone has already made up their mind and moving forward. Whether or not he votes for the bill is the where it matters. Hell, if I were in the Senate right now, I'd vote to end the debate on health care and force the liberals to actually put up their votes, rather than let the fence sitters and secretly opposed sit quietly while everyone is bludgeoned to death with claims of "obstruction", etc. |
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| Author: | DFK! [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:29 am ] |
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I think we should all care more about them having used his seat to pass the raising of the debt ceiling after his election but before he was seated. |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:22 pm ] |
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I don't view this as a sell out at all. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Scott Brown sold out ... |
They only need 51 votes for it to go to reconciliation with a House variant at this point. |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:40 pm ] |
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Dash wrote: Yeah that's uh, yeah. I mean, he is in Massachusetts. Had to know it was coming. I don't even view it as selling out. That State is seriously whacked. |
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| Author: | Ladas [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Scott Brown sold out ... |
Khross wrote: They only need 51 votes for it to go to reconciliation with a House variant at this point. And? That is how our system is set up. Is it a stupid bill? Probably, and while it might suck if the bill gets pass, it sucks more to use a gimmick intended to ensure everyone has enough information on the topic to vote intelligently to block legislation. If the bill has merit or not, then vote on it once everyone has the information needed (or assumed to be needed) to make that decision. If everyone has decided, then debate is pointless and a waste of tax dollars and time. Of course, I say the above with an understanding that the idea concepts behind the system are actually working, when that is not the case. I'd support raising the required vote for passage of bills to 60%. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Scott Brown sold out ... |
Ladas: That's part of the problem. Gridlock is the last real check on our government, and the Consolidated Executive isn't exactly too worried about it either. If things were working as intended, the sitting President would have already been removed from office, assuming he even got there in the first place. And the same can be said for any of his 20th Century predecessors. |
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| Author: | Ladas [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:20 pm ] |
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Unfortunately, I believe that the amount of gridlock experienced over the last few decades (half century?) is exactly the reason we have so much consolidation of power in the executive branch, starting with the example set by FDR and the USSC. |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:23 pm ] |
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And gridlock is one of the larger sources of public dissatisfaction with congress. |
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| Author: | DFK! [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:25 pm ] |
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Aizle wrote: And gridlock is one of the larger sources of public dissatisfaction with congress. Demonstrate this, because every person I've spoken with indicates quite the opposite. |
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| Author: | Taskiss [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:25 pm ] |
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Aizle wrote: And gridlock is one of the larger sources of public dissatisfaction with congress. Gridlock is better than unfettered creation of entitlement programs. |
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| Author: | DFK! [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:28 pm ] |
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Taskiss wrote: Aizle wrote: And gridlock is one of the larger sources of public dissatisfaction with congress. Gridlock is better than unfettered creation of entitlement programs. Not to people receiving entitlements, or whose money isn't being forced from their hands. |
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| Author: | Ladas [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:29 pm ] |
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DFK! wrote: Aizle wrote: And gridlock is one of the larger sources of public dissatisfaction with congress. Demonstrate this, because every person I've spoken with indicates quite the opposite. Yeah, this has been my general experience as well, in particular when it comes to the recent pushes by the majority party. |
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| Author: | Taskiss [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:29 pm ] |
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DFK! wrote: Taskiss wrote: Aizle wrote: And gridlock is one of the larger sources of public dissatisfaction with congress. Gridlock is better than unfettered creation of entitlement programs. Not to people receiving entitlements, or whose money isn't being forced from their hands. Won't all thirst when the well runs dry? |
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| Author: | DFK! [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:34 pm ] |
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Taskiss wrote: DFK! wrote: Taskiss wrote: Gridlock is better than unfettered creation of entitlement programs. Not to people receiving entitlements, or whose money isn't being forced from their hands. Won't all thirst when the well runs dry? Most likely. My point simply that your viewpoint "gridlock is better than..." isn't universally held, and that understanding that fact may help create change. |
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| Author: | Taskiss [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:45 pm ] |
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DFK! wrote: Most likely. My point simply that your viewpoint "gridlock is better than..." isn't universally held, and that understanding that fact may help create change. The only universally held viewpoint is "My viewpoints are more relevant than yours". Change will come when people want it bad enough. At that point, a savior will come from nowhere and be elected, and he or she will cut medicare, medicade, and social security. Then the people will crucify him. |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:59 pm ] |
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DFK! wrote: Aizle wrote: And gridlock is one of the larger sources of public dissatisfaction with congress. Demonstrate this, because every person I've spoken with indicates quite the opposite. Really? Gridlock is only "ok" when your side isn't in the majority. Everyone here rails against fillibusters when their "good" legislation is being stopped by the other side. It should be noted that I'm not advocating that everyone should be able to pass anything. More that I would like to see a much more concerted effort from both sides to meet in the middle and compromise, instead of drawing lines in the sand and getting nothing accomplished. |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:06 pm ] |
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Taskiss wrote: Change will come when people want it bad enough. At that point, a savior will come from nowhere and be elected, and he or she will cut medicare, medicade, and social security. Then the people will crucify him. People would first need to understand what is happening in government. I can't tell you how many people thought that Obama's tax relief was a cut. They are in for a rude surprise when they file for their refunds and get jack **** or end up owing. |
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| Author: | Taskiss [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:10 pm ] |
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Aizle wrote: Really? Gridlock is only "ok" when your side isn't in the majority. Everyone here rails against fillibusters when their "good" legislation is being stopped by the other side. In a gridlock situation, the only legislation passed is, by definition, the legislation everyone can agree with. Or at least "everyone" who is able to vote on the measure. I'd rather nothing be done unless everyone agrees. Put a 2/3rds majority on all legislation with no option of passing with less. |
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| Author: | Taskiss [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:12 pm ] |
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Hopwin wrote: Taskiss wrote: Change will come when people want it bad enough. At that point, a savior will come from nowhere and be elected, and he or she will cut medicare, medicade, and social security. Then the people will crucify him. People would first need to understand what is happening in government. I can't tell you how many people thought that Obama's tax relief was a cut. They are in for a rude surprise when they file for their refunds and get jack **** or end up owing. You gotta admit, it's a catchy tune. |
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