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Author:  Rynar [ Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:08 pm ]
Post subject:  The Agenda Rolls On, Unimpeded

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-immigration5-2010mar05,0,1123497.story

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Obama looking to give new life to immigration reform
By Peter Nicholas

March 4, 2010 | 6:18 p.m.


Reporting from Washington - Despite steep odds, the White House has discussed prospects for reviving a major overhaul of the nation's immigration laws, a commitment that President Obama has postponed once already.

Obama took up the issue privately with his staff Monday in a bid to advance a bill through Congress before lawmakers become too distracted by approaching midterm elections.

In the session, Obama and members of his Domestic Policy Council outlined ways to resuscitate the effort in a White House meeting with two senators -- Democrat Charles E. Schumer of New York and Republican Lindsey Graham of South Carolina -- who have spent months trying to craft a bill.

According to a person familiar with the meeting, the White House may ask Schumer and Graham to at least produce a blueprint that could be turned into legislative language.

The basis of a bill would include a path toward citizenship for the 10.8 million people living in the U.S. illegally. Citizenship would not be granted lightly, the White House said. Undocumented workers would need to register, pay taxes and pay a penalty for violating the law. Failure to comply might result in deportation.

Nick Shapiro, a White House spokesman, said the president's support for an immigration bill, which would also include improved border security, was "unwavering."

Participants in the White House gathering also pointed to an immigration rally set for March 21 in Washington as a way to spotlight the issue and build needed momentum.

Though proponents of an immigration overhaul were pleased that the White House wasn't abandoning the effort, they also wanted Obama to take on a more assertive role, rather than leave it to Congress to work out a compromise.

Immigration is a delicate issue for the White House. After promising to revamp in his first year of office what many see as a fractured system, Obama risks angering a growing, politically potent Latino constituency if he defers the goal until 2011.

But with the healthcare debate still unresolved, Democrats are wary of plunging into another polarizing issue.

"Right now we have a little problem with the 'Chicken Little' mentality: The sky is falling and consequently we can't do anything," Rep. Raul M. Grijalva (D-Ariz.) said in an interview.

Republicans are unlikely to cooperate. On Capitol Hill, Republicans said that partisan tensions had only gotten worse since Obama signaled this week that he would push forward with a healthcare bill, whether he could get GOP votes or not.

Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) said in an interview, "The things you hear from the administration won't be well received."

Schumer, speaking as he walked quickly through the Capitol, said he was having trouble rounding up Republican supporters apart from Graham. "It's tough finding someone, but we're trying," Schumer said.

On Thursday, Schumer met with Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, who oversees the government's immigration efforts, to strategize over potential Republican co-sponsors.

"We're very hopeful we can get a bill done. We have all the pieces in place. We just need a second Republican," Schumer said in a statement.

Among proponents, there is a consensus that a proposal must move by April or early May to have a realistic chance of passing this year. If that deadline slips, Congress' focus is likely to shift to the November elections, making it impossible to take up major legislation.

"There's no question that this is a heavy lift and the window is narrowing," said Janet Murguia, president and chief executive of the National Council of La Raza, a Latino advocacy group.

When it comes to immigration, Obama's strategy echoes that of healthcare. He has deferred heavily to Congress, leaving it up to Schumer and Graham to reach a breakthrough with the idea that he would put his weight behind the resulting compromise.

Author:  Rorinthas [ Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Agenda Rolls On, Unimpeded

If you don't secure the border first, legalizing those already here solves no real problems.

Author:  Müs [ Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Agenda Rolls On, Unimpeded

Rorinthas wrote:
If you don't secure the border first, legalizing those already here solves no real problems.


In fact, its likely to make things worse, as legitimizing those already here can create a flow of new illegals to cross and claim that they were already here.

Author:  RangerDave [ Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:27 pm ]
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Müs wrote:
In fact, its likely to make things worse, as legitimizing those already here can create a flow of new illegals to cross and claim that they were already here.


This seems like a plausible claim, but I've never seen any actual evidence one way or the other. Anyone know if the rate of illegal immigration increased following previous grants of amnesty?

Author:  Vindicarre [ Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:35 pm ]
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I'm going to have to chew on this a bit, but this seems to be something you're looking for RD (note the INS report embedded):
http://www.cis.org/articles/2000/ins1986amnesty.html

Author:  Rorinthas [ Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:24 am ]
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Well considering there are once again so many of them that we once again have to consider amnesty should point to that we didn't get it right last time.

Author:  Rynar [ Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:48 am ]
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Rorinthas wrote:
Well considering there are once again so many of them that we once again have to consider amnesty should point to that we didn't get it right last time.


Of course not, when you grant amnesty as a matter of policy you create incentivisation for more illegal immigration in the hopes that it might be granted again.

Author:  Elmarnieh [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:54 pm ]
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Rorinthas wrote:
If you don't secure the border first, legalizing those already here solves no real problems.


Man its almost like we tried that before, oh yeah because we have and it didn't solve anything.

Author:  Ladas [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:15 pm ]
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Obama risks angering a growing, politically potent Latino constituency if he defers the goal until 2011.

Well, duh!

Author:  Screeling [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:54 pm ]
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Elmarnieh wrote:
Rorinthas wrote:
If you don't secure the border first, legalizing those already here solves no real problems.


Man its almost like we tried that before, oh yeah because we have and it didn't solve anything.

When exactly did we secure the border?

Author:  Lydiaa [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:38 pm ]
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Undocumented workers would need to register, pay taxes and pay a penalty for violating the law. Failure to comply might result in deportation.


Do what we say, or you'll have the same penalty if you didnt do as we say! :roll:

Author:  Slythe [ Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:56 pm ]
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Screeling wrote:
Elmarnieh wrote:
Rorinthas wrote:
If you don't secure the border first, legalizing those already here solves no real problems.


Man its almost like we tried that before, oh yeah because we have and it didn't solve anything.

When exactly did we secure the border?


Not sure but I think Elmo's referring to trying amnesty before and it not working.

Also, I hate statements like this -

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Obama risks angering a growing, politically potent Latino constituency if he defers the goal until 2011


While it contains a sad political and social commentary, isn't it kind of like saying

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The President risks angering a growing, politically potent Muslim constituency if he decides to prosecute terrorists.
(And that's merely an analogy to highlight illegality and association, not the proportionality of crimes)

If a group is angered over not allowing people to break the just laws of this country and enter unchecked and en masse, only because they look or think the same as them, then that group should hold no sway. Not to mention, that quote from the article is a generalization at best, as there are legal citizens who are Latino who don't support illegal immigration, we just don't really know what percentage they are.

Author:  Müs [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:48 am ]
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Quote:
The President risks angering a growing, politically potent Serial Killer constituency if he decides to prosecute Serial Killers.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:15 am ]
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Müs wrote:
Quote:
The President risks angering a growing, politically potent Serial Killer constituency if he decides to prosecute Serial Killers.


While the point is well taken, it should be pointed out that serial killers would be an absurdly small group, don't have communities or organizations that would push them to vote a certain way, and aren't prosecuted by the Federal government anyhow.

Author:  Müs [ Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:25 am ]
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Diamondeye wrote:
Müs wrote:
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The President risks angering a growing, politically potent Serial Killer constituency if he decides to prosecute Serial Killers.


While the point is well taken, it should be pointed out that serial killers would be an absurdly small group, don't have communities or organizations that would push them to vote a certain way, and aren't prosecuted by the Federal government anyhow.


Yeah yeah. ;)

Author:  Rorinthas [ Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:28 pm ]
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Not to mention most of them are non-voting felons

the killers i mean, not the illegals

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