Talya wrote:
I don't know about heaven, but if those damned little Jack Russell Terriers don't go to hell, there can be no just god.
Whoa. Did you just do a quick identity change there?
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | According to the bible, do animals go to heaven? |
My stepson says no, they don't. His uncle says, no, they don't and according to the bible animals have no souls and only humans (who have souls) can accept God's plan of salvation and go to heaven. I have a really really really hard time believing this. |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:52 am ] |
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Animals don't accept Jesus Christ as their savior, so no, they don't go to Heaven. |
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| Author: | Teekeela [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: According to the bible, do animals go to heaven? |
Here's my view: I agree that animals have no soul. If heaven is God's place of love at it's purest then our beloved pets will be part of the landscape. |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:11 pm ] |
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But...if animals have no soul, and they die and their bodies decay....then what essentially makes them who they are will be lost forever when they die since there is no soul, right? But then again...."with God, all things are possible..." It's so confusing. |
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| Author: | Mookhow [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: According to the bible, do animals go to heaven? |
All Dogs Go to Heaven. 'Nuff said |
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| Author: | Talya [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:33 pm ] |
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I don't know about heaven, but if those damned little Jack Russell Terriers don't go to hell, there can be no just god. |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:37 pm ] |
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Talya wrote: I don't know about heaven, but if those damned little Jack Russell Terriers don't go to hell, there can be no just god. Whoa. Did you just do a quick identity change there?
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| Author: | Talya [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:40 pm ] |
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LadyKate wrote: Talya wrote: I don't know about heaven, but if those damned little Jack Russell Terriers don't go to hell, there can be no just god. Whoa. Did you just do a quick identity change there? Yeah, Miala is an account I use on one of the PbP gaming forums. I forgot to switch out of it before posting. |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:45 pm ] |
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Oh ok. I was confused for a minute. |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:07 pm ] |
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...hmmm...animals can't go to heaven if the don't have souls...but if animals did have souls, then it would be a sin to kill them, which would mean we should all be vegetarians....but God (at the beginning of creation) gave man dominion over all the creatures.... |
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| Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:14 pm ] |
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Man was created in the likeness of God. And I like to think that domesticating pets causes just a little bit of that to rub off. Is that theologically rigorous? No. Do I expect it to work that way? Not really. Does it make me feel better? Yes. Teek's viewpoint plays in a bit there, too. Pets don't have the divine spark that gives them (conscious?) free will, nor are they capable of sin or the acceptance of the Messiah necessary for salvation. However, being incapable of sin, they have no need of salvation. I like to think that they've got their own deal waiting for them that's not heaven per se, but that the heavenbound get visiting rights. |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:17 pm ] |
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Sheep go to heaven, goats go to hell. |
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| Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:23 pm ] |
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Hopwin wrote: Sheep go to heaven, goats go to hell. ++ |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: According to the bible, do animals go to heaven? |
Other than the metaphor of sheep and goats, I don't think the Bible really goes into that question. It's yet another matter where people have a bad habit of saying "The Bible says X" when really they are inferring X from what it says. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 1:38 pm ] |
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The Preacher's Kid will now point out that the Genesis creation myth uses the same word translated "souls" in English to refer to animals the same way it does humans. Some bible translations replace the word "souls" in these passages with other words to differentiate between man and beast, but the original hebrew did no such thing, using the same hebrew word ("Nephesh") in all cases. It's also worth noting that the bible never speaks of "having" souls, even in the case of humans. It speaks of "being" souls. Subtle distinction, perhaps, but I'm not sure why. Lots of people will give lots of different answers. |
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| Author: | Midgen [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:06 pm ] |
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Like Teek, I don't know how a place could be as splendid as Heaven is supposed to be, without our beloved animals. Based on that alone, I say bring the dog biscuits with you when you go. |
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| Author: | FarSky [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: According to the bible, do animals go to heaven? |
Teekeela wrote: Here's my view: I agree that animals have no soul. If heaven is God's place of love at it's purest then our beloved pets will be part of the landscape. Kaffis Mark V wrote: Man was created in the likeness of God. And I like to think that domesticating pets causes just a little bit of that to rub off. Is that theologically rigorous? No. Do I expect it to work that way? Not really. Does it make me feel better? Yes. Teek's viewpoint plays in a bit there, too. Pretty much this. I feel almost as though the love of an owner bestows upon that pet a soul. Call it bunk, God passing along His gift of life, or whatever you like, I don't really care. But I simply can't imagine that animals who receive the love that they do from their owners don't have a soul, or at least a close enough approximation of one to be reunited with their owners. |
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| Author: | Lenas [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:35 pm ] |
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Growing up, I always figured that Heaven couldn't be full of everything I liked, because some of that stuff was sinful! I eventually came to the conclusion that upon entering Heaven, you'd no longer remember anything from your life that wouldn't be permitted past the pearly gates. You can't be unhappy about missing something, if you don't know it's missing! I applied this same logic to pets when someone told me animals don't go to heaven. All of that made sense when I was ten. I suppose I looked at heavenly souls as drugged-up drones. Maybe more like happy zombies. Happy zombies without a craving for brains. |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: According to the bible, do animals go to heaven? |
FarSky wrote: Teekeela wrote: Here's my view: I agree that animals have no soul. If heaven is God's place of love at it's purest then our beloved pets will be part of the landscape. Kaffis Mark V wrote: Man was created in the likeness of God. And I like to think that domesticating pets causes just a little bit of that to rub off. Is that theologically rigorous? No. Do I expect it to work that way? Not really. Does it make me feel better? Yes. Teek's viewpoint plays in a bit there, too. Pretty much this. I feel almost as though the love of an owner bestows that soul. Call it bunk, God passing along His gift of life, or whatever you like, I don't really care. But I simply can't imagine that animals who receive the love that they do from their owners not having a soul, or at least a close enough approximation of one to be reunited with their owners. I spent an hour an the phone with a pastor-friend and the general idea is that animals have no souls and they don't go to heaven. I could agree that animals have no souls but them not going to heaven I had a tough time with.....his thinking based on theology made sense but I couldn't even begin to explain it. Edit: Lenas is pretty close. My friend said that God takes away all our sorrows and knowledge of sin, etc so we will not hurt for nor miss our pets and animals or people we loved that did not get saved. |
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| Author: | FarSky [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:40 pm ] |
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Credit Sasandra from the random pics thread. 
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| Author: | Midgen [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:46 pm ] |
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Wait.. if animals don't go to heaven, that means there will be no... steak! hrm... |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:47 pm ] |
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Hahahahaha! That's pretty awesome, Farsky!  Midgen....there will be animals in heaven, they just won't be the ones we had down here. |
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| Author: | Midgen [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:51 pm ] |
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LadyKate wrote: Hahahahaha! That's pretty awesome, Farsky! Midgen....there will be animals in heaven, they just won't be the ones we had down here. This confuses me. Do some animals have souls but not others? I'm sticking to my original thought. Pets will be there, as will steak!! |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:53 pm ] |
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Apparently no animals have souls...God will just create new animals in heaven or something like that. We may still have pets and steak...(though not necessarily in that order)...but they will be new pets and the idea that our pets will be reunited with us is apparently not possible. |
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| Author: | Lenas [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:55 pm ] |
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No matter your belief, that explanation sounds pretty crappy imo. I wouldn't want a new pet. I want my pet, god dammit. |
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