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Just an FYI...not that I care about Glade Penii or anything...


http://www.treehugger.com/bikes/why-you-should-get-a-no-nose-seat-when-you-sit-on-a-regular-bike-saddle-youre-sitting-on-your-penis.html

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Why You Should Get A No-Nose Seat: "When You Sit On A Regular Bike Saddle, You're Sitting On Your Penis."


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John Tierney of the New York Times has never been my favourite science columnist, but he appears to know his bikes and commutes 16 miles a day. He uses a no-nose seat, calling it a "no-brainer." He asks:

Why, if you had an easy alternative, would you take any risk with that part of the anatomy? Even if you didn't feel any symptoms, even if you didn't believe the researchers' warnings, even if you thought it was perfectly healthy to feel numb during a ride -- why not switch just for comfort's sake? Why go on crushing your crotch?

He wonders why nobody is listening.
The science is pretty convincing. Tierney writes:

When I tried a no-nose model for my 16-mile daily commute, it was so much more comfortable that I promptly threw away the old saddle. But over the years I've had zero success persuading any other cyclists to switch, even when I quote the painfully succinct warning from Steven Schrader, the reproductive physiologist at Niosh who did the experiment with police officers.

"There's as much penis inside the body as outside," Dr. Schrader told me. "When you sit on a regular bike saddle, you're sitting on your penis."

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More precisely, according to Dr. Schrader's measurements, you are putting 25 to 40 percent of your body's weight on the nerves and blood vessels near the surface of the perineum. "That part of the body was never meant to bear pressure," Dr. Schrader said. "Within a few minutes the blood oxygen levels go down by 80 percent."

But even though NIOSH studied the issue and concluded that there was a problem, Tierney finds that few cyclists are paying attention and that most are in denial, or claim that you cannot properly control a bike without a nose on the seat. There is certainly an element of conservatism and resistance to change; when I wrote No-Nose Bicycle Seats: Are They The Answer to Erectile Dysfunction And Prostate Problems Among Cyclists?, one commenter noted:

Cyclists are snobs.

What I mean is that they are NOT open to non-traditional solutions... I ride a Softride, and have tried no-nose, and currently use an ergonomic. I have been literally laughed at for the Softride, for the ergo, and for the no-nose. And I didn't invite these: bikers passing me on the road, typically. I would bet even the seats disparaged by the previous article works great, but fell victim to cyclist snobbery.

Tierney also suggests that people are embarrassed to talk about the issue. He describes how one inventor of a seat took it to a store and was told ""This saddle screams out: I've got a problem. Who needs that in a bike shop?""

Perhaps things have changed, or the riders are older in Toronto than in Portland. But when I went into the Urbane Cyclist they had a whole rack of no-nose seats, and salespeople who could talk intelligently about all of them. For I think the first time ever, I agree with John Tierney: it pays to protect the perineum. More in the New York Times
More on No-Nose seats:
Study Finds No-Nose Bicycle Saddles Are Kinder to Male Genitalia
No-Nose Bicycle Seats: Are They The Answer to Erectile Dysfunction And Prostate Problems Among Cyclists?

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I probably do not have proper bicycle posture, but I do not believe I have ever sat on my penis.

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Your penis isn't just external, it's internal. When you ride on a normal bicycle seat, chances are, you're sitting on your penis.
(Heh, sounds like a Foxworthy line..."If YOU _______, then chances are, you're sitting on your penis!" Hah!)

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this thread was a let down :( was totally expecting something raunchier/more interesting :p


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Or alternatively: If you have a penis then do not ride a bike.

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If he thinks its hard to get bicyclists to use this seat, I'd love to see him try to get something like this on motorcycles.

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Man, first I get this at home, now here ... :D My wife has brought this up before with me.

My argument is that, if your bike is set up properly, you don't put that much pressure on your inner penis. (Boy, there are some words I never thought I'd type.) But, basically, you should be back farther on your seat, rather than farther up on the nose. That way, you get support on your sit bones - "(the ischial tuberosities - those two protrusions that bug you when you sit on a hard bench)." From Jim Langley, who agrees with me. I think of this all the time while riding - I try to remember to relax my shoulders and straighten my arms to push myself back on the seat. Plus, especially in mountain biking, half the time you're off the seat anyway, either while climbing or just bouncing over technical trails, letting your knees absorb the shock.

I think it's more of a problem for road riders, come to think of it. When I used to do a lot of long rides (40 miles or so), I do remember getting some numbness. But, that was also an oddly fitted bike - an old English crit bike, which had a little different (read=1970s) geometry. Had a funky seat, too.

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best thread title ever.

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Aethien wrote:
My argument is that, if your bike is set up properly, you don't put that much pressure on your inner penis. (Boy, there are some words I never thought I'd type.) But, basically, you should be back farther on your seat, rather than farther up on the nose. That way, you get support on your sit bones - "(the ischial tuberosities - those two protrusions that bug you when you sit on a hard bench)."


See? I told you I don't sit on my penis.

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If you are sitting on your penis, you are doin' it wrong.

Your 'sit bones' should be taking the weight if your bike is set up properly.

The seat you show is waaaay too wide to be able to ride comfortably. There is no where for the back of your legs to go on the down stroke. This would result in A) chaffing and bruising on the back of your thighs, and B) causing you to slide forward and back on the seat, causing more chaffing and possibly worse.


Here is a pic of the best bike seat ever!

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Properly set up, and once broken in, this seat is awesome. The leather softens and conforms to the shape of your sit bones. Sadly, they are not very popular with racers because they are too heavy compared to the hard plastic/composites available today, and most casual riders don't have them set up properly and ride in a poor position, which makes them painful. The only people who really use them are hardcore commuters and touring bike riders.


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Midgen wrote:
Here is a pic of the best bike seat ever!


I dunno, that groin pressure chart is pretty compelling.

This will definitely pop into my head next time I go biking. No pun intended.

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Heheh, is that so women don't sit on their...

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No, its to reduce pressure on the taintal region.

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As I don't have a penis of my own to sit on, I instead enjoy sitting on another person's penis.

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She's a little liar. She has her own. It's silicone, battery powered, and red.

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She's a little liar. She has her own. It's silicone, battery powered, and red.

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She's a little liar. She has her own. It's silicone, battery powered, and red.

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Lorelei wrote:
She's a little liar. She has her own. It's silicone, battery powered, and red.

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This thread took a sudden turn into bizarre land.

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Mookhow wrote:
This thread took a sudden turn into bizarre land.


I know, right? RED?!? I always figured Taly for a purple appliance sort of girl. My worldview is shaken.


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I'm debating whether or not I should be in my bunk... ;)

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You're surrounded by bunks...

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