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Author:  Rodahn [ Sun May 09, 2010 6:10 pm ]
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Anyone else tried this stuff?

On a whim, I tried some that I found at Kroger, and it's actually really good.

It's a no sugar added alternative to soda in various fruit flavors. It's a little on the expensive side -- $3.30 here for a 4-pack of 8.3 oz cans. Seems to be all natural ingredients (good for someone trying to cut back on HFCS).

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Author:  LadyKate [ Sun May 09, 2010 6:19 pm ]
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That actually looks pretty awesome. I may go get some next time I am at the grocery store...I would have never given it a second look though because of the packaging. It looks just like it might be an energy drink and loaded with sugar and caffeine...if you hadn't have posted it here I would never have known.

Author:  Rodahn [ Sun May 09, 2010 6:44 pm ]
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Yeah, it does kinda have that energy drink look to it.

I've only had the Black Cherry, Orange/Tangerine, and Watermelon/Strawberry ones, but the others sound good, too. I'll have to see if I can find the other flavors.

Author:  Khross [ Mon May 10, 2010 7:07 am ]
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Interesting ...

Author:  Mookhow [ Mon May 10, 2010 8:46 am ]
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I may try it out once there's a store closer than 30 miles away that carries it.

Author:  Hopwin [ Mon May 10, 2010 2:56 pm ]
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Kiwi berry sounds nummy.

Author:  Nevandal [ Mon May 10, 2010 3:33 pm ]
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Looks pretty good ;)

Too bad I'm off soda and energy drinks now. It's all V8 Fusion and water for me.

Author:  Rodahn [ Mon May 10, 2010 4:59 pm ]
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Yeah, I'm trying to stick to water, and Switch when I want something sweet.

Soda is just too evil.

Author:  Taamar [ Tue May 11, 2010 12:59 pm ]
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Why would you take delicious fruit juice and ruin it with carbonation?

Author:  Rodahn [ Tue May 11, 2010 4:56 pm ]
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But, but it's "sparkling," not carbonated. Says so right on the can ;P

Author:  Lenas [ Tue May 11, 2010 5:53 pm ]
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Some people like a little bite?

May look these up.

Edit - Never mind. Costco-only in my neck of the woods, and I'm not a member.

Author:  Crimsonsun [ Thu May 13, 2010 4:48 pm ]
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Interesting...

however I mostly make do with 1 part juice and 1 part plain seltzer water... almost the same effect

Author:  Midgen [ Mon May 24, 2010 2:24 pm ]
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nutrition info wrote:
Can: Serving Size: 8.3 fl oz (245mL), Servings 1, Calories 120,
Total Fat 0g, Sodium 5mg, Total Carb 30g, Sugar 29g, Protein 0g, Vitamin C 100%

Bottle: Serving Size 8 fl oz (240mL), Servings 1.5, Calories 126,
Total Fat 0g, Sodium 14mg, Total Carb 34g, Sugar 31g, Protein 0g, Vitamin C 100%


It's good that it doesn't have HFCS, etc... but still too much sugar for me.

Author:  Rodahn [ Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:14 pm ]
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Assuming it's real fruit juice, I would think the body would have an easier time breaking down the sugars that are present.

HFCS = the devil. I can't believe there are commercials on TV actually advocating it.

Author:  LadyKate [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:26 am ]
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Rodahn wrote:
HFCS = the devil. I can't believe there are commercials on TV actually advocating it.


How is it any worse than cane sugar?

Author:  Midgen [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:33 am ]
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It has to do with the way the body metabolizes it.

Author:  Midgen [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:36 am ]
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Rodahn wrote:
Assuming it's real fruit juice, I would think the body would have an easier time breaking down the sugars that are present..


It does, but it's still waaaaaaay too much sugar for me. One of those drinks represents about 2 months worth of sugar intake for me (on my current program).

I'm now officially a 'former diabetic' (i.e. no longer need meds to control my blood sugar), but the trade is, that I keep my carbs from sugar intake as near to zero as I possibly can.

Author:  Taamar [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:20 am ]
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LadyKate wrote:
Rodahn wrote:
HFCS = the devil. I can't believe there are commercials on TV actually advocating it.


How is it any worse than cane sugar?


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 121115.htm

"A Princeton University research team has demonstrated that all sweeteners are not equal when it comes to weight gain: Rats with access to high-fructose corn syrup gained significantly more weight than those with access to table sugar, even when their overall caloric intake was the same."


Other than that, some people don't feel well when they consume it.

Author:  Vindicarre [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:40 pm ]
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In the study “High –fructose corn syrup causes characteristics of obesity in rats: Increased body weight, body fat and triglyceride levels,”(1) the authors failed to put into perspective the excessive amount consumed by the rats in their experimental design. Translating the study’s reported rat intakes to human proportions, the calories gained from high fructose corn syrup would be equivalent to about 3000 kcal/day all from that single source. In comparison, adult humans consume about 2,000 calories per day from all dietary sources. Such intake levels for the study animals would be the equivalent of humans drinking a total of 20 cans of 12 ounce sodas per day - a highly unrealistic amount. Moreover, the researchers concluded that the rats gained more weight from high fructose corn syrup than they would have from sugar, yet the researchers had no proper basis for drawing this conclusion since they failed to provide sucrose controls for part of the study’s short-term experiments and no sucrose controls whatsoever were present in any of the long-term experiments.


Gross Errors in Princeton Animal Study on Obesity and High Fructose Corn Syrup

Author:  Taamar [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:22 pm ]
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Vindicarre wrote:
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In the study “High –fructose corn syrup causes characteristics of obesity in rats: Increased body weight, body fat and triglyceride levels,”(1) the authors failed to put into perspective the excessive amount consumed by the rats in their experimental design. Translating the study’s reported rat intakes to human proportions, the calories gained from high fructose corn syrup would be equivalent to about 3000 kcal/day all from that single source. In comparison, adult humans consume about 2,000 calories per day from all dietary sources. Such intake levels for the study animals would be the equivalent of humans drinking a total of 20 cans of 12 ounce sodas per day - a highly unrealistic amount. Moreover, the researchers concluded that the rats gained more weight from high fructose corn syrup than they would have from sugar, yet the researchers had no proper basis for drawing this conclusion since they failed to provide sucrose controls for part of the study’s short-term experiments and no sucrose controls whatsoever were present in any of the long-term experiments.


Gross Errors in Princeton Animal Study on Obesity and High Fructose Corn Syrup


Your link comes from a group with a financial interest in discrediting the study, and still doesn't disprove the portion I linked, which states that even with identical caloric intakes rats gain more when consuming HFCS than when consuming sucrose. And while they didn't control with sucrose for the long term studies they DID in the short-term.

"The first study showed that male rats given water sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup in addition to a standard diet of rat chow gained much more weight than male rats that received water sweetened with table sugar, or sucrose, in conjunction with the standard diet. The concentration of sugar in the sucrose solution was the same as is found in some commercial soft drinks, while the high-fructose corn syrup solution was half as concentrated as most sodas."

Author:  LadyKate [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:31 pm ]
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I thought this article seemed fair:http://blogs.consumerreports.org/health/2008/10/high-fructose-c.html

Basically says that HFCS should be fine in moderation but its in so many things that its difficult to limit consumption and that even though it seems to have the same make-up as sugar, there are a few signs that indicate more research is needed before coming to any conclusions to its safety.

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High fructose corn syrup has become one of the boogeymen of processed foods. The Corn Refiners Association is probably right in noting that it has no known special risk compared to table sugar. While it has been implicated in a rise of Type 2 diabetes, obesity, and other health problems, high-fructose corn syrup and white sugar are almost identical chemically; each is about half fructose and half glucose.

The association between high-fructose corn syrup and obesity may reflect that we consume so much of it. Nearly all sugars add empty calories to our diets. And because high fructose corn syrup is the main sweetener in most soft drinks and a common one in other foods (including breakfast cereals, salad dressings, cheese spreads, yogurts, jams, and peanut butter, among others), many people may just consume more of it then other sugars. But that doesn’t mean that there’s definitely no added risk from fructose in general. A new study of rats by researchers from the University of Florida suggests that a diet high in fructose may lead the body to develop a resistance to a protein called leptin, which helps control appetite. More research is needed to fully understand the relationship.

Author:  Taamar [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:47 pm ]
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LadyKate wrote:
I thought this article seemed fair:http://blogs.consumerreports.org/health/2008/10/high-fructose-c.html

Basically says that HFCS should be fine in moderation but its in so many things that its difficult to limit consumption and that even though it seems to have the same make-up as sugar, there are a few signs that indicate more research is needed before coming to any conclusions to its safety.


And it's in SO many things. Soda and ketchup and sugared cereal, OK, I can see that. Plain bagels? Pepperoni? Stove Top stuffing? NyQuil? Wheat thins? Salsa? Spend a week reading labels and trying not to eat anything with corn syrup (watch for dextrose too!) and you'll see that it's everywhere.

Author:  LadyKate [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:37 pm ]
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So its not just HCFS its dextrose as well?
Did a quick check of the cabinet and didn't see anything but I did in the fridge....jelly and jam have sugar AND hfcs. There's hfcs in all my salad dressings...didn't expect to see it there. Huh.

Author:  Rodahn [ Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:42 pm ]
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I really wish they'd go back to regular cane sugar and stick with just that.

That's why I grab retro soda whenever they release it. It tastes better, too.

Author:  Vindicarre [ Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:13 am ]
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Taamar wrote:
Vindicarre wrote:
Quote:
In the study “High –fructose corn syrup causes characteristics of obesity in rats: Increased body weight, body fat and triglyceride levels,”(1) the authors failed to put into perspective the excessive amount consumed by the rats in their experimental design. Translating the study’s reported rat intakes to human proportions, the calories gained from high fructose corn syrup would be equivalent to about 3000 kcal/day all from that single source. In comparison, adult humans consume about 2,000 calories per day from all dietary sources. Such intake levels for the study animals would be the equivalent of humans drinking a total of 20 cans of 12 ounce sodas per day - a highly unrealistic amount. Moreover, the researchers concluded that the rats gained more weight from high fructose corn syrup than they would have from sugar, yet the researchers had no proper basis for drawing this conclusion since they failed to provide sucrose controls for part of the study’s short-term experiments and no sucrose controls whatsoever were present in any of the long-term experiments.


Gross Errors in Princeton Animal Study on Obesity and High Fructose Corn Syrup


Your link comes from a group with a financial interest in discrediting the study, and still doesn't disprove the portion I linked, which states that even with identical caloric intakes rats gain more when consuming HFCS than when consuming sucrose. And while they didn't control with sucrose for the long term studies they DID in the short-term.

"The first study showed that male rats given water sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup in addition to a standard diet of rat chow gained much more weight than male rats that received water sweetened with table sugar, or sucrose, in conjunction with the standard diet. The concentration of sugar in the sucrose solution was the same as is found in some commercial soft drinks, while the high-fructose corn syrup solution was half as concentrated as most sodas."

Taamar wrote:
Your link comes from a group with a financial interest in discrediting the study...

Trying to discredit facts by suggesting the person is of bad character is such poor logic there's a name for it - Poisoning the Well.

Sorry, but if you drink 20 cans of soda a day, I guarantee you'll gain weight; don't need a study to prove that.

Maybe rats don't metabolize things like humans? Then again I guess all those wonder drugs that worked in rats but didn't work in humans should have been a hint.

Why only "male rats"? They did the study using female rats as well, why do you think they are only crowing about the male rats?

Taamar wrote:
And while they didn't control with sucrose for the long term studies they DID in the short-term.
- is incorrect. They didn't control for sucrose in any of the long term (6 months) study (Compared to animals eating only rat chow, rats on a diet rich in high-fructose corn syrup [gained weight]...), and they only controlled for sucrose in part of the short term (8 weeks) study.

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...even with identical caloric intakes rats gain more when consuming HFCS than when consuming sucrose.

Really? When using the study's own error range, the rats consuming sucrose weighed 477 grams +/-9 and the rats consuming HFCS weighed 502 grams +/-11. The rats eating only chow weighed 462. Is that 5 grams significant? But wait - there's more.
The rats who gained more weight on HFCS did so when they were allowed access 12 hours a day. When they were allowed access 24 hours a day they weighed 470 grams. Hmmm, HFCS rats 470 grams; Sucrose rats 477 grams. I wonder why they didn't use that in the press release? I guess "Rats That Eat Sucrose Gain More Weight Than Rats That Eat HFCS" doesn't push what they wanted to push. :lol: But wait - there's more.
Female rats studied over 7 months fed HFCS 12 hours a day weighed 323 +/-9 grams; those fed sucrose weighed 333 +/-10 grams. Now we know why they didn't tell us about the female rats.

The press release says calorie intake was the same, the study doesn't show how they determined that the calorie intake was the same - for anyone wondering, that's a BIG no-no.

I guess I'm just not a fan of studies that test to get expected results, but I'm sure people will believe what they want to believe, regardless.

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