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Author: | Foamy [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:25 pm ] |
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I make my own spaghetti sauce (I call it gravy, but that's a story for another time) and the only part of the process I haven't yet mastered is making decent meatballs. What I usually end up with are meatballs that taste like little hamburger balls. The important points from my last sub-par batch are below: ground beef eggs breadcrumbs Italian seasonings, salt, pepper minced garlic fresh grated Parmesan cheese I thoroughly mixed the ingredients and formed little balls. I lightly browned them in olive oil making sure they do not brown too much on any one side. I removed them from the heat and get my sauce started. Once the sauce is thoroughly heated, I add the partially cooked MBs to the pot and let them finish in there. What I ended up with aren't terrible, but I just can't seem to reproduce that soft, mooshy, italian meatball flavored, meatball. They taste like fried, ground-beef, hamburger balls with hints of the seasonings. I have thought I am using incorrect ingredients for the consistency I am looking for. I will most likely try a different meat mix, but I have heard of other who soak bread in milk over night and add that to their mix. Pro-cooks (eyes Taamar and Rynar), I look to you for guidance on what I may be doing wrong, but I certainly welcome all opinions. Thanks as always. |
Author: | Jasmy [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:34 pm ] |
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THE PERFECT ITALIAN MEATBALLS Recipe by Fabio Viviani Cook time: 25 Minutes Yield: 8 meatballs 1 lb. ground beef (90/10) 4 oz. whole milk ricotta cheese 1 cup Parmigiano-Reggiano cheese, grated 1 cup panko bread crumbs 1 egg 2 garlic cloves, minced 2 shallots, minced 1 tablespoon extra-virgin olive oil salt & fresh cracked pepper to taste fresh parsley for garnish Place all above ingredients in a medium sized bowl and mix thoroughly by hand until they are completely combined and the mixture is uniformly firm. Coat your hands in olive oil, and using your hands form mixture into 3-4 oz. balls Drop the meatballs into Fabio's tomato sauce (see recipe here) and add some water so that the sauce can reduce and simmer. Let cook for about 10 minutes on one side. Turn them over, add some more water and cook for another 10 minutes, covering in the sauce with a spoon as they simmer. Let rest for 5 minutes before serving. Garnish with chopped parsley, salt and pepper, more shaved parmegiano reggiano and a drizzle of olive oil, of course! MANGIA! |
Author: | Jasmy [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:37 pm ] |
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The sauce he used to cook the meatballs... Perfect Tomato Sauce Recipe by Fabio Viviani Cook time: 10 Minutes Yield: 2 Cups of Sauce INGREDIENTS 6 cloves garlic 6 Tablespoons extra-virgin olive oil 28 oz can of whole plum tomatoes (packed in only tomato juice) salt and fresh cracked pepper to taste 3-4 leaves fresh basil for garnish Method: Smash 6 cloves of garlic with the back of a knife. Over medium heat, cook garlic in 3 Tbsp. of EVOO until golden brown. Add tomatoes and generous pinch of salt and pepper. Cook until thick (about 8 to 10 minutes) and is no longer watery in consistency. Add 3 more Tbsp. more of EVOO, turn to higher heat. Crush tomatoes with the back of a wooden spoon. Cook until the oil turns red. This will tell you the sauce is done! Cook's Note: The sauce is very versatile and can be used with any pasta; added to meats, fish, vegetables; or topped on toasted crostini, breads, pizza crusts. MANGIA! |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:45 pm ] |
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The first thing I noticed is that you're missing pork/veal. |
Author: | Müs [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:11 pm ] |
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Half and half beef/pork |
Author: | Rynar [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:53 pm ] |
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Müs wrote: Half and half beef/pork Incorrect. Beef, veal, and pork in thirds. |
Author: | Foamy [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:24 am ] |
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Rynar: Ok, so I kinda figured the meat mix was my first mistake. Is my cooking technique of lightly browning first then finishing in the sauce or the ingredient mix causing me to end up with hamburger-y tasting meatballs? I keep reading that many use chopped whitebread soaked in milk in the mixture. Also, what part do the eggs actually play? Do they help the MBs hold together, or do they add to the texture? |
Author: | Khross [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:51 am ] |
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You bake meatballs. Simmering them in tomato sauce is apostasy. |
Author: | Foamy [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:08 am ] |
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Khross wrote: You bake meatballs. Simmering them in tomato sauce is apostasy. Then you'd best start shunning me, because I wouldn't think of doing them any other way. Then again, considering my track record, I'm open to experimentation. I really want to get them right. |
Author: | Khross [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:16 am ] |
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Meatballs are meatballs ... Equal parts beef, pork, and veal. That's the basis for everything you do. You have options for seasoning and binding agents based on what kind of meatballs you're making, but you start with the right meat. I go with mozzarella, Romano, Parmesan, and an egg. For bread crumbs, make your own croutons and then smash though up. In any case, you want bake your meatballs for about 2 hours at 325 and then let them sit over night. And when you want to serve them, you bake them again for about 45 minutes at 300. |
Author: | Foamy [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:22 am ] |
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Duly noted. I will be trying this when I make my next batch...which may have to be sooner rather than later. |
Author: | Khross [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:25 am ] |
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You'll notice I'm being vague about times and portions here ... That's really important. Good meatballs are good meatballs; you have to tinker; you have to adjust. Slowly baking your meatballs until the cheese is bubbling out the side and the external meat has turned dark and almost crunchy is a good thing. |
Author: | Foamy [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:28 am ] |
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Yup, perfectly aware. The problem I was having is that I wasn't to the point where I could tinker with the seasonings and such since I wasn't sure I was even preparing/cooking them properly. |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:56 am ] |
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As an interesting aside (to me, at least) my wife and her family bake their meatballs but don't finish them in sauce (nor do they call it gravy), and they're Italian, as my wife's was the first generation born here. The other side of the coin is where the interesting part comes in, my parents who were German and Norwegian finished the meatballs in the sauce (which they called sauce) after baking and they boiled bratwurst in beer and cooked hot dogs in chili. Sorry for the sauce/gravy repetitiveness , but it is so Sopranos (East Coast and/or 5th+ generation from what I can tell) to my ear, kind of like all the last syllable dropping they did. |
Author: | Foamy [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:22 pm ] |
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I grew up calling the red stuff that we put over our pasta, gravy. Not until I got away on my own and eventually met my decidedly non-Italian wife, did it ever really enter my mind to call it sauce. I was told that the Italians called it Gravy and that's what I whole-heartedly believed despite being told otherwise. What my parents neglected to tell me was the real history of the "Sunday Gravy". I found this little article to best explain what my parents didn't bother to tell me. Link Spoiler: |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:03 pm ] |
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Oh, I have no doubt that's what you grew up calling it (and have every right to do so), it just makes me think of the Sopranos much like somebody calling prosciutto "proshoot" or capicola "capicoal". My wife's family is from the "greater Chicago area" and I'd never heard it called "gravy" until the Sopranos era. As a matter of fact, one of her younger uncles started dropping the last syllables of things post-Sopranos and got called on it by his father at the dinner table in front of about 25 people and had to explain that he was acting Italian like he saw on TV (his Dad didn't know about the Sopranos unless they were opera singers). He stopped when his Dad gave him the "What, you are Italian, why try to act like one from TV, Fredo?" His name is Patricio, but his Dad threw that in as a dig, methinks. |
Author: | Hopwin [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:47 pm ] |
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Am I the only one who thinks 90/10 meat is the problem here? I'd go with at least 85/15 and 80/20 would be preferable to that for me. 90/10 leaves no fat for the flavor to absorb into and then get dissapated throughout the ball when that fat melts. In addition when that fat melts it creates little pockets inside the meatballs which makes them less dense. |
Author: | Khross [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:23 pm ] |
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Hopwin wrote: Am I the only one who thinks 90/10 meat is the problem here? I'd go with at least 85/15 and 80/20 would be preferable to that for me. 90/10 leaves no fat for the flavor to absorb into and then get dissapated throughout the ball when that fat melts. In addition when that fat melts it creates little pockets inside the meatballs which makes them less dense. 83/17 Ground Chuck.20% is too much fat. 15% is almost but not quite enough. As it stands, this growing predilection for over rare ground meats is baffling. It also has to do with regulatory rules coming from the FDA. Just remember, by law, beef spare ribs and ox necks are not beef. |
Author: | Hopwin [ Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:32 pm ] |
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Khross wrote: Hopwin wrote: Am I the only one who thinks 90/10 meat is the problem here? I'd go with at least 85/15 and 80/20 would be preferable to that for me. 90/10 leaves no fat for the flavor to absorb into and then get dissapated throughout the ball when that fat melts. In addition when that fat melts it creates little pockets inside the meatballs which makes them less dense. 83/17 Ground Chuck.20% is too much fat. 15% is almost but not quite enough. As it stands, this growing predilection for over rare ground meats is baffling. It also has to do with regulatory rules coming from the FDA. Just remember, by law, beef spare ribs and ox necks are not beef. I think I'd agree that 83/17 or even 82/18 would be ideal but I can't grab 83/17 off the shelf @ the megalomart and our butcher is way overpriced so I always default to too much over too little. |
Author: | Vladimirr [ Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:51 pm ] |
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Vindicarre wrote: Oh, I have no doubt that's what you grew up calling it (and have every right to do so), it just makes me think of the Sopranos much like somebody calling prosciutto "proshoot" or capicola "capicoal". My wife's family is from the "greater Chicago area" and I'd never heard it called "gravy" until the Sopranos era. As a matter of fact, one of her younger uncles started dropping the last syllables of things post-Sopranos and got called on it by his father at the dinner table in front of about 25 people and had to explain that he was acting Italian like he saw on TV (his Dad didn't know about the Sopranos unless they were opera singers). He stopped when his Dad gave him the "What, you are Italian, why try to act like one from TV, Fredo?" His name is Patricio, but his Dad threw that in as a dig, methinks. My grandparents were both born in Sicily, lived in Milwaukee, and I never heard the term "gravy" for pasta sauce until I came to Florida and ended up with all these **** New Yorkers. So maybe it's an regional invention like the upper midwest's "bakadowza" ("Bathroom" - not Italian, just broken english for "back of the house"). FWIW, my grandparents pronounce a lot of Italian words without the last syllable, like "fa-ZOOL" for fagioli or "guh-GOOTS" for cucuzza. I always thought that was a Sicilian thing. Then again they say the "a" on the end of "stunada", so who the heck knows. |
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