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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:25 pm 
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I make my own spaghetti sauce (I call it gravy, but that's a story for another time) and the only part of the process I haven't yet mastered is making decent meatballs.

What I usually end up with are meatballs that taste like little hamburger balls.

The important points from my last sub-par batch are below:

ground beef
eggs
breadcrumbs
Italian seasonings, salt, pepper
minced garlic
fresh grated Parmesan cheese

I thoroughly mixed the ingredients and formed little balls. I lightly browned them in olive oil making sure they do not brown too much on any one side. I removed them from the heat and get my sauce started. Once the sauce is thoroughly heated, I add the partially cooked MBs to the pot and let them finish in there.

What I ended up with aren't terrible, but I just can't seem to reproduce that soft, mooshy, italian meatball flavored, meatball. They taste like fried, ground-beef, hamburger balls with hints of the seasonings.

I have thought I am using incorrect ingredients for the consistency I am looking for. I will most likely try a different meat mix, but I have heard of other who soak bread in milk over night and add that to their mix.

Pro-cooks (eyes Taamar and Rynar), I look to you for guidance on what I may be doing wrong, but I certainly welcome all opinions.

Thanks as always.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:34 pm 
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THE PERFECT ITALIAN MEATBALLS
Recipe by Fabio Viviani

Cook time: 25 Minutes
Yield: 8 meatballs

1 lb. ground beef (90/10)
4 oz. whole milk ricotta cheese
1 cup Parmigiano-Reggiano cheese, grated
1 cup panko bread crumbs
1 egg
2 garlic cloves, minced
2 shallots, minced
1 tablespoon extra-virgin olive oil
salt & fresh cracked pepper to taste
fresh parsley for garnish

Place all above ingredients in a medium sized bowl and mix thoroughly by hand until they are completely combined and the mixture is uniformly firm.

Coat your hands in olive oil, and using your hands form mixture into 3-4 oz. balls

Drop the meatballs into Fabio's tomato sauce (see recipe here) and add some water so that the sauce can reduce and simmer. Let cook for about 10 minutes on one side.

Turn them over, add some more water and cook for another 10 minutes, covering in the sauce with a spoon as they simmer.

Let rest for 5 minutes before serving.

Garnish with chopped parsley, salt and pepper, more shaved parmegiano reggiano and a drizzle of olive oil, of course!

MANGIA!

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The sauce he used to cook the meatballs...


Perfect Tomato Sauce

Recipe by Fabio Viviani

Cook time: 10 Minutes
Yield: 2 Cups of Sauce

INGREDIENTS

6 cloves garlic
6 Tablespoons extra-virgin olive oil
28 oz can of whole plum tomatoes (packed in only tomato juice)
salt and fresh cracked pepper to taste
3-4 leaves fresh basil for garnish
Method:

Smash 6 cloves of garlic with the back of a knife.

Over medium heat, cook garlic in 3 Tbsp. of EVOO until golden brown.

Add tomatoes and generous pinch of salt and pepper.

Cook until thick (about 8 to 10 minutes) and is no longer watery in consistency.

Add 3 more Tbsp. more of EVOO, turn to higher heat.

Crush tomatoes with the back of a wooden spoon.

Cook until the oil turns red. This will tell you the sauce is done!

Cook's Note: The sauce is very versatile and can be used with any pasta; added to meats, fish, vegetables; or topped on toasted crostini, breads, pizza crusts.

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The first thing I noticed is that you're missing pork/veal.

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Half and half beef/pork

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Müs wrote:
Half and half beef/pork

Incorrect. Beef, veal, and pork in thirds.

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Rynar:

Ok, so I kinda figured the meat mix was my first mistake. Is my cooking technique of lightly browning first then finishing in the sauce or the ingredient mix causing me to end up with hamburger-y tasting meatballs?

I keep reading that many use chopped whitebread soaked in milk in the mixture. Also, what part do the eggs actually play? Do they help the MBs hold together, or do they add to the texture?

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You bake meatballs. Simmering them in tomato sauce is apostasy.

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Khross wrote:
You bake meatballs. Simmering them in tomato sauce is apostasy.


Then you'd best start shunning me, because I wouldn't think of doing them any other way.

Then again, considering my track record, I'm open to experimentation. I really want to get them right.

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Meatballs are meatballs ...

Equal parts beef, pork, and veal. That's the basis for everything you do. You have options for seasoning and binding agents based on what kind of meatballs you're making, but you start with the right meat.

I go with mozzarella, Romano, Parmesan, and an egg. For bread crumbs, make your own croutons and then smash though up.

In any case, you want bake your meatballs for about 2 hours at 325 and then let them sit over night.

And when you want to serve them, you bake them again for about 45 minutes at 300.

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Duly noted. I will be trying this when I make my next batch...which may have to be sooner rather than later.

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You'll notice I'm being vague about times and portions here ...

That's really important. Good meatballs are good meatballs; you have to tinker; you have to adjust.

Slowly baking your meatballs until the cheese is bubbling out the side and the external meat has turned dark and almost crunchy is a good thing.

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Yup, perfectly aware. The problem I was having is that I wasn't to the point where I could tinker with the seasonings and such since I wasn't sure I was even preparing/cooking them properly.

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As an interesting aside (to me, at least) my wife and her family bake their meatballs but don't finish them in sauce (nor do they call it gravy), and they're Italian, as my wife's was the first generation born here. The other side of the coin is where the interesting part comes in, my parents who were German and Norwegian finished the meatballs in the sauce (which they called sauce) after baking and they boiled bratwurst in beer and cooked hot dogs in chili.
Sorry for the sauce/gravy repetitiveness ;), but it is so Sopranos (East Coast and/or 5th+ generation from what I can tell) to my ear, kind of like all the last syllable dropping they did.

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I grew up calling the red stuff that we put over our pasta, gravy. Not until I got away on my own and eventually met my decidedly non-Italian wife, did it ever really enter my mind to call it sauce. I was told that the Italians called it Gravy and that's what I whole-heartedly believed despite being told otherwise.

What my parents neglected to tell me was the real history of the "Sunday Gravy". I found this little article to best explain what my parents didn't bother to tell me.

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Sunday Gravy
February 24th, 2008

Sundays were particularly important to Italian-Americans. No matter what Papa did for a living during the week, it was, in most cases, hard, physical labor. So Sunday was literally a day of rest.

Regardless of whether or not they went to church, Italian families nearly always gathered at home in reverential celebration of the abundance they had found in America. As NYU professor Hasia Diner emphasizes it was ironic that Italian “immigrants had to leave home to eat the food of home.”1.

That a newly-arrived Italian could earn ten dollars a week as a brick-layer or dockworker was empowerment, opportunity beyond anything that had been available to him back in Sicily or Apulia. He could earn a living wage and not only house his family, but feed them well. And in the early 20th century, that meant he could afford to feed them meat.

Oral and written histories are replete with recollections of the immigrants’ amazement at the availability and affordability of meat. That a family in America could afford once a week what might have been indulged in once or twice a year back in Italy (during a religious feast or wedding), was cause for jubilation.

Long after the hunger that propelled Italians to the New World had been appeased and first-generation Italian-Americans had moved off on their own, they continued to gather at “Mom’s house” for a Sunday afternoon meal any non-Italian would call a “feast.” This classic repast would include several types of meat braised in tomato sauce. For a first course, Mama would appropriate some of the sauce to serve over pasta. The meats would follow, accompanied by salad and bread.

Exhorting her family to Mangia, mangia, “Eat, eat!” it was always a woman, usually La Nonna, the matriarch, who came to symbolize the warmth and expansive generosity of Italian-American culture. Grandmothers, daughters, and daughters-in-law presided over kitchens and dining rooms in America. For many of these women, it was their transformation of ingredients here in the New World that gave them economic and social power. Italian women who had learned to cook—in Italy or America, from their stints as domestics in more affluent homes or from members of their own families—gained status as they created meals of abbondanza e nostalgia, evoking a homeland that had denied them the food they so proudly served here.

Following World War II, returning veterans, including many maturing first-generation Italian-Americans, joined the migration to the suburbs. Taking with them what had now become “old family recipes,” the new suburbanites assured that “Mom’s Sunday Gravy” became as much of a staple in North Jersey and on Long Island as it had been around the cramped apartment kitchen tables on Mulberry Street.

Just as food sustained strong family ties between generations of Italian-Americans, it has also maintained urban Little Italys. Like the stereotypical Nonna, with her pot of basil on the fire-escape, many a pasta or salume supplier has proved just as reluctant to leave the familiar, the core neighborhoods where immigrants first used food as the primary tool with which to form their identity as Italian-Americans.

1. Hungering for America: Italian, Irish, and Jewish Foodways in the Age of Migration by Hasia R. Diner; Harvard University Press, 2003.

*Note: Italian-Americans in the greater Chicago, Boston, Providence, and New York areas favored the term gravy (rather than sauce), probably because of their proximity to large communities of immigrants from the British Isles and northern Europe.
Sunday Gravy

Ingredients:

3 – 4 Tbs. extra virgin olive oil
6 Garlic cloves peeled
1 Lb. Piece of boneless beef such as eye of the round, or shoulder steak
1 Lb. Piece of boneless Pork shoulder
3 Tbs. Tomato paste
1/2 Cup dry red wine
3 28 oz. cans Italian plum tomatoes (preferably San Marzano)
1 Lb. Hot or sweet Italian sausages (or a combination)
1 Recipe for Italian Meatballs
Salt & freshly ground black pepper
4 Tbs. Fresh oregano, finely chopped
4 Tbs. Fresh basil, finely chopped
4 Tbs. Flat-leaf Italian parsley, finely chopped

Preparation:

Heat a large, heavy-bottomed casserole or Dutch oven over medium heat, then add the garlic. (Don’t allow the garlic to brown.) Add the meat, turning frequently to brown on both sides. As the meat is browned, remove it and reserve. If necessary, brown the meat in batches.

Combine the tomato paste and wine and add to the pot. Raise the heat to high. Stirring constantly, boil for a minute or two to evaporate the alcohol. Add the tomatoes and their juices, breaking up the tomatoes with the back of a fork as they go in. As the sauce begins to bubble, lower the heat so the tomatoes simmer gently. Taste for seasoning and add salt and pepper as necessary. Stir in the oregano, basil, and parsley.

Return the beef and pork to the pot. Partially cover the pot and simmer gently, stirring occasionally, for two hours, or until the meat begins to fall apart. Add the sausages and meatballs, and simmer gently for another hour.

Remove the meat from the sauce, and place in a large bowl, or on a platter. Cover loosely with aluminum foil.

To Serve:

Serve the sauce over pasta—typically penne, ziti, or rigatoni. Allow 1/4 Lb. dry pasta per person. Serve the meat as a separate course with salad and bread.

Serves 10 – 12

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Oh, I have no doubt that's what you grew up calling it (and have every right to do so), it just makes me think of the Sopranos much like somebody calling prosciutto "proshoot" or capicola "capicoal". My wife's family is from the "greater Chicago area" and I'd never heard it called "gravy" until the Sopranos era. As a matter of fact, one of her younger uncles started dropping the last syllables of things post-Sopranos and got called on it by his father at the dinner table in front of about 25 people and had to explain that he was acting Italian like he saw on TV (his Dad didn't know about the Sopranos unless they were opera singers). He stopped when his Dad gave him the "What, you are Italian, why try to act like one from TV, Fredo?" His name is Patricio, but his Dad threw that in as a dig, methinks.

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Am I the only one who thinks 90/10 meat is the problem here? I'd go with at least 85/15 and 80/20 would be preferable to that for me. 90/10 leaves no fat for the flavor to absorb into and then get dissapated throughout the ball when that fat melts. In addition when that fat melts it creates little pockets inside the meatballs which makes them less dense.

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Am I the only one who thinks 90/10 meat is the problem here? I'd go with at least 85/15 and 80/20 would be preferable to that for me. 90/10 leaves no fat for the flavor to absorb into and then get dissapated throughout the ball when that fat melts. In addition when that fat melts it creates little pockets inside the meatballs which makes them less dense.
83/17 Ground Chuck.

20% is too much fat. 15% is almost but not quite enough. As it stands, this growing predilection for over rare ground meats is baffling. It also has to do with regulatory rules coming from the FDA. Just remember, by law, beef spare ribs and ox necks are not beef.

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Khross wrote:
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Am I the only one who thinks 90/10 meat is the problem here? I'd go with at least 85/15 and 80/20 would be preferable to that for me. 90/10 leaves no fat for the flavor to absorb into and then get dissapated throughout the ball when that fat melts. In addition when that fat melts it creates little pockets inside the meatballs which makes them less dense.
83/17 Ground Chuck.

20% is too much fat. 15% is almost but not quite enough. As it stands, this growing predilection for over rare ground meats is baffling. It also has to do with regulatory rules coming from the FDA. Just remember, by law, beef spare ribs and ox necks are not beef.

I think I'd agree that 83/17 or even 82/18 would be ideal but I can't grab 83/17 off the shelf @ the megalomart and our butcher is way overpriced so I always default to too much over too little.

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Oh, I have no doubt that's what you grew up calling it (and have every right to do so), it just makes me think of the Sopranos much like somebody calling prosciutto "proshoot" or capicola "capicoal". My wife's family is from the "greater Chicago area" and I'd never heard it called "gravy" until the Sopranos era. As a matter of fact, one of her younger uncles started dropping the last syllables of things post-Sopranos and got called on it by his father at the dinner table in front of about 25 people and had to explain that he was acting Italian like he saw on TV (his Dad didn't know about the Sopranos unless they were opera singers). He stopped when his Dad gave him the "What, you are Italian, why try to act like one from TV, Fredo?" His name is Patricio, but his Dad threw that in as a dig, methinks.


My grandparents were both born in Sicily, lived in Milwaukee, and I never heard the term "gravy" for pasta sauce until I came to Florida and ended up with all these **** New Yorkers. So maybe it's an regional invention like the upper midwest's "bakadowza" ("Bathroom" - not Italian, just broken english for "back of the house").

FWIW, my grandparents pronounce a lot of Italian words without the last syllable, like "fa-ZOOL" for fagioli or "guh-GOOTS" for cucuzza. I always thought that was a Sicilian thing. Then again they say the "a" on the end of "stunada", so who the heck knows.

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