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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:00 pm 
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Josh Hutcherson was in the running to play the webbed wonder, but didn't make the cut. But his audition tape has surfaced, and it's actually pretty badass for an audition tape.

http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/70655 ... gn=TheFeed

Not sure I like his jawline, but he could have easily won me over as Parker. Ah well, we'll see how the other guy fares. But, what I really want is for Sony to stop making SM movies so the rights can go back into the hands of the people who will take good care of it: Marvel.

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Numbuk wrote:
But, what I really want is for Sony to stop making SM movies so the rights can go back into the hands of the people who will take good care of it: Marvel.

What makes you think Marvel would do better? The only movies I see that were produced solely by Marvel were Iron Man, Iron Man 2 and The Incredible Hulk. While I enjoyed Iron Man and Iron Man 2 to a lesser degree, I didn't see anything in Hulk that set is apart from the average co-produced Marvel movie (though it was significantly better than the first Hulk movie).

To me, this sounds more like fanboism than actual commentary from their comic books than on a substantial body of motion picture work.

Or this is more about the failings of Columbia Pictures than the abilities of Marvel?


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Awesome video! I was really pulling for him to get the part. I've been impressed with everything that he's done so far, but especially with his character in Bridge to Terabithia. Incredible talent and an impressive resume for someone his age.

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Ladas wrote:
While I enjoyed Iron Man and Iron Man 2 to a lesser degree, I didn't see anything in Hulk that set is apart from the average co-produced Marvel movie (though it was significantly better than the first Hulk movie).



The Incredible Hulk (Ed Norton version) was the best movie, from a plot and direction perspective, of the three of them. Iron Man gets away with less because the lead character is highly entertaining on personality alone, while the Hulk simply isn't.

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Caleria wrote:
Awesome video! I was really pulling for him to get the part. I've been impressed with everything that he's done so far, but especially with his character in Bridge to Terabithia. Incredible talent and an impressive resume for someone his age.

This.


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Talya wrote:
The Incredible Hulk (Ed Norton version) was the best movie, from a plot and direction perspective, of the three of them. Iron Man gets away with less because the lead character is highly entertaining on personality alone, while the Hulk simply isn't.

Your opinion of which of those 3 was better is irreverent to the question I posed to Numbuk. However, I will disagree with your opinion as I thought the "insane" soldier in Hulk was pathetic, in both script, background story and acting, and the General was only slightly less annoying and cardboard. The directing sucked.

Iron Man had some issues with supporting cast as well (as did Iron Man 2), but the overall talent/delivery was much better.

But again, as group of 3 movies, I don't see Marvel as the sole producer of their IP being leaps and bounds ahead of the average of their co-produced work.


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Ladas wrote:
Numbuk wrote:
But, what I really want is for Sony to stop making SM movies so the rights can go back into the hands of the people who will take good care of it: Marvel.

What makes you think Marvel would do better? The only movies I see that were produced solely by Marvel were Iron Man, Iron Man 2 and The Incredible Hulk. While I enjoyed Iron Man and Iron Man 2 to a lesser degree, I didn't see anything in Hulk that set is apart from the average co-produced Marvel movie (though it was significantly better than the first Hulk movie).

To me, this sounds more like fanboism than actual commentary from their comic books than on a substantial body of motion picture work.

Or this is more about the failings of Columbia Pictures than the abilities of Marvel?



Marvel has explicitly expressed that they are done with allowing others to change their intellectual property enough that they lose the essence of the character and, in general, make a bad movie. So they have decided to fully produce their movies themselves, so they have full creative-control.

You say you don't see a big difference between the two Hulk movies? Wow. Are you sure?

I am probably one of the biggest Ang Lee Hulk apologists out there and yet even I have no problems stating that Ed Norton Hulk is what Ang Lee's Hulk should have been. Ang Lee's movie wasn't bad (in this apologist's opinion) and I did like that he attempted to explore the psychological aspect of Hulk (which is what the character really is about). But the movie did not flow very well and there were too many liberties taken (mixing Absorbing Man with Bruce's father... who is deceased in the comics, but still the cause of his personality disorder).

To be brutally honest, I've enjoyed most of the Marvel movies that I've seen. This is including Punisher, Daredevil, and even Ghost Rider. And as much as I enjoy them, I can tell a difference with the quality and story of the Marvel produced movies than with the others. Including the X-Men and Spider-Man movies.

I think Marvel's goal was to bring the quality of their movies to a more consistent basis, so they would get more X-Men 2's and Spider-Man 2's instead of X-Men 3's and Spider-Man 3's.

This is why I would rather have Spider-man in the hands of Marvel. Because they are, in my opinion, batting three for three so far.

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Numbuk wrote:
TYou say you don't see a big difference between the two Hulk movies? Wow. Are you sure?

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I said no such thing, which is odd you would state otherwise since you quoted my post in your reply... but to repeat myself, bolded to make it easier for you to read:

Ladas wrote:
While I enjoyed Iron Man and Iron Man 2 to a lesser degree, I didn't see anything in Hulk that set is apart from the average co-produced Marvel movie (though it was significantly better than the first Hulk movie).


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My opinions of the major Marvel films:

Fantastic
Blade
Blade II
Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk


Very Good
X2: X-Men United
Spider-Man 2
Daredevil
Iron Man 2


Decent to Mediocre
X-Men
Spider-Man


Terrible
Hulk
Blade: Trinity
Elektra
Fantastic Four
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
X-Men: The Last Stand
Ghost Rider
Spider-Man 3
X-Men Origins: Wolverine


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Ladas wrote:
Numbuk wrote:
TYou say you don't see a big difference between the two Hulk movies? Wow. Are you sure?

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I said no such thing, which is odd you would state otherwise since you quoted my post in your reply... but to repeat myself, bolded to make it easier for you to read:

Ladas wrote:
While I enjoyed Iron Man and Iron Man 2 to a lesser degree, I didn't see anything in Hulk that set is apart from the average co-produced Marvel movie (though it was significantly better than the first Hulk movie).


I misread.

Oh, and by the way, if you're a person who thrives, lives, and breathes on internet debate...... you're likely barking up the wrong tree with me. Debating on the internet (or in general) is something I consider to be a complete, utter, and total waste of time. I state my opinions, and feel I don't need to generally expound on them further. This is why if you do a search for "Numbuk" in Hellfire forums, you will get 0 results. Just a heads-up.

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FarSky wrote:
My opinions of the major Marvel films:

Fantastic
Blade
Blade II
Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk


Very Good
X2: X-Men United
Spider-Man 2
Daredevil
Iron Man 2


Decent to Mediocre
X-Men
Spider-Man


Terrible
Hulk
Blade: Trinity
Elektra
Fantastic Four
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
X-Men: The Last Stand
Ghost Rider
Spider-Man 3
X-Men Origins: Wolverine


This. 100%.

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Numbuk wrote:
Oh, and by the way, if you're a person who thrives, lives, and breathes on internet debate...... you're likely barking up the wrong tree with me. Debating on the internet (or in general) is something I consider to be a complete, utter, and total waste of time. I state my opinions, and feel I don't need to generally expound on them further. This is why if you do a search for "Numbuk" in Hellfire forums, you will get 0 results. Just a heads-up.

I don't, and that's fine that you don't. I was asking why you believe that Marvel would be such a stronger producer of their IP in theatrical media than any of the joint ventures. 3 movies, while all pretty good, isn't exactly a huge history, and in my opinion, aren't leaps and bounds ahead of the average quality of their joint ventures (I say average, because some of those joint ventures absolutely sucked, some were good, some were just entertaining).


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FarSky wrote:
My opinions of the major Marvel films:

Fantastic
Blade
Blade II
Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk


Very Good
X2: X-Men United
Spider-Man 2
Daredevil
Iron Man 2


Decent to Mediocre
X-Men
Spider-Man


Terrible
Hulk
Blade: Trinity
Elektra
Fantastic Four
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
X-Men: The Last Stand
Ghost Rider
Spider-Man 3
X-Men Origins: Wolverine


I agree with this list, except I would put Iron Man 2 in the fantastic category because I felt it was every bit as good as the original. Not better, on the same exact level. And I would put Daredevil in the complete crap category for having the most horrible casting of the Kingpin. Also, I loved Blade: Trinity because Ryan Reynolds was hilarious.

Also, Add Punisher(the second one, not the one with Dolph) and Punisher: Warzone in there. Warzone hits Fantastic for me and The Punisher is Very Good. The original Punisher from way back would fit into the decent category because the 80s rocked.

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