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 Post subject: GoT S4
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Promotion in Auckland.
http://bringdowntheking.com/live

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Premier was so great.
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Lenas wrote:
Premier was so great.


How great was it?
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Soooo great.

To book readers, before you watch the premier (TWOW related):

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You might want to read the latest pre-release chapter of TWOW titled "Mercy".
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Lenas wrote:
Soooo great.

To book readers, before you watch the premier (TWOW related):

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You might want to read the latest pre-release chapter of TWOW titled "Mercy".



What? What is this thing you speak of and where can it be found?

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Raell wrote:
What? What is this thing you speak of and where can it be found?


Anyone not wanting Book 6 content, please don't open this.
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Oh sweet! I don't visit his site at all. I might start now.

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New S4 Opening. ;)

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Wow, nothing about this week's GoT episode?

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Seems the fanbase here has dwindled and I was kind of waiting for next week to say anything so I don't have to trudge through another discussion about the sept scene. There are a few great scenes in the episode and none of them involve Cersei or Jaime but unfortunately they're all anyone's talking about.

Emilia Clarke speaks Valyrian like a certified badass.
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Fair enough. I have no idea why they went and stirred that hornet's nest (especially with how wishy-washy they've been about owning it in interviews), which is kind of what I expected some others to be wondering.

I loved the Tommen/Tywin bit in the sept, though. And Pod. Wonderful, wonderful Pod.

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Episode 4... What is this? I don't even...
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Lenas wrote:
Episode 4... What is this? I don't even...


Yeah, that was a weird one.

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I totally still love you, even though I was just raping my sister next to my dead son's corpse. Ok, take my irreplaceable sword, see ya later.
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Lenas wrote:
Episode 4... What is this? I don't even...

Is this in reference to the Bran's party at Craster's bit? Or more rapey scenes because the show didn't learn the lesson from the internet last time? (or, to be fair, had shot this episode before that outrage stoked the fires of the blogosphere)

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Bran at Craster's, Jon going to Crasters, the ending reveal that HBO identified as the
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Night's King
but then edited out.

This has been the biggest departure from the books to date.
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Yeah, I don't mind Jon running North to try to prevent intel getting to Mance. What bothers me is that Slynt and Thorne showed up before Jon & crew fought off the wildlings south of the Wall. If that had already happened, and then Slynt and Thorne show up, there's a reason for Jon to have enough popularity to make them nervous and have to fight for power.

At that point, sending Jon and his supporters north becomes a nice little embellishment to the power struggles there that I don't mind.

Bran showing up at Crasters (and the way it looks like Jon's going to find him there), though, is a terrible idea.

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There was a hooplah over rapey scenes?

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Corolinth wrote:
There was a hooplah over rapey scenes?


Apparently in the books, the 2 major rape scenes in the tv series were actually consensual. So it's completely changing the tones of characters, as well as, ya know, rape.
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Well the director did say that by the end of the scene he saw it as consensual. It wasn't his intent to make it rapey.

Back to the latest episode, my biggest disappointment in the latest episode is the omission of Littlefinger's dialogue that gave the show its namesake. They had the conversation but for some reason decided to cut out his, ""Remember that, Sansa, when you come to play the game...” line.
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Oh, crap. That's right, that was the source conversation. Boo.

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Lenas wrote:
Well the director did say that by the end of the scene he saw it as consensual. It wasn't his intent to make it rapey.

Back to the latest episode, my biggest disappointment in the latest episode is the omission of Littlefinger's dialogue that gave the show its namesake. They had the conversation but for some reason decided to cut out his, ""Remember that, Sansa, when you come to play the game...” line.


That was his version of consensual? "Your eyes may say no, and your mouth may say no, but this restraining order..."
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Did you have a source for the director saying he wasn't intending it to be rapey? This is from his Hollywood reporter interview:
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This feels like Tywin's episode. What was filming his scene with him and Tommen like?
That was one of the greatest days I've ever had filming. To film Charles (Dance) kidnapping Lena's son with words for three minutes of monologue -- and to have Lena keeping up with him at the highest bar of acting possible with no words at all -- was a joy. It was directorial crack to do that scene. It was one of my favorite scenes I've ever shot. It's almost like a build from Ordinary People meets a Hitchcock movie, because you're sitting here going, "This is so dysfunctional and bizarre." She's a wreck. Tywin is really going on about this historical stuff, and you slowly start to go, "He's kidnapping her only boy," because she's not going to have him anymore. And then he succeeds, and then Jaime comes in and he rapes her. That was like -- you read the scene and go, "Wait, who's directing this?"

That whole scene has to be one of the most taboo, disturbing things that has happened on the show.
I'm never that excited about going to film forced sex. But the whole thing for me was about dead Joffrey lying there, watching the whole thing. (Showrunners) David (Benioff) and Dan (Weiss) loved that, and I was like, I wanted to make sure I had Jack in there as much as I could. Of course Lena and Nickola laughed every time I would say, "You grab her by the hair, and Jack is right there," or "You come around this way and Jack is right there."

Why was it so important to have Joffrey's body in the scene?
He is their first born. He is their sin. He is their lust, and their love -- their everything. If he's gone, what's going to happen? Jaime is still trying to believe as hard as he possibly can that he's in love with Cersei. He can't admit that he is traumatized by his family and he's been forced his whole life to be something he doesn't want to be. What he is -- but has to deny -- is he is actually the good knight, like Brienne.




Seems pretty straightforward to me.
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Darkroland wrote:
Did you have a source for the director saying he wasn't intending it to be rapey?

A little poking around indicates that this HitFix article is the original source.

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When I interviewed [director] Alex Graves about "The Lion and the Rose," we also spoke briefly about the Jaime/Cersei scene and about how the encounter starts out as Jaime forcing himself on her, then turns into something else. This is what he said:
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Well, it becomes consensual by the end, because anything for them ultimately results in a turn-on, especially a power struggle.

This had the predictable (and justifiable) effect of igniting the rape survivor blogosphere and inciting condemnatory articles at the likes of HuffPo, Slate, Jezebel, etc.

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To anyone upset over a rape scene, I have only two words:

Red wedding

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What I find amusing (and I don't really watch Game of Thrones, so it's easy to just view the spectacle from afar) is how so many people felt "betrayed" by Jaime's rape because they like him and just couldn't believe he would do that, conveniently ignoring say, attempting to murder a young child by pushing him off of a tower to his supposed death (and actual permanent paralysis).
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