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It's A Bird! It's A Plane! It's Chris Nolan! He'll Mentor Superman 3.0 And Prep 3rd Batman

EXCLUSIVE: Warner Bros is trying to ready its DC Comics stalwart Superman to soar again on the Big Screen, and the studio has turned to Chris Nolan to mentor development of the movie. Our insiders say that the brains behind rebooted Batman has been asked to play a "godfather" role and ensure The Man Of Steel gets off the ground after a 3 1/2-year hiatus. Nolan's leadership of the project can set it in the right direction with the critics and the fans, not to mention at the box office. Besides, Nolan is considered something of a god at Warner Bros and has a strong relationship with the studio after the success of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. Though he wasn’t obligated to do so, he gave the studio first crack at his spec script Inception, and Warner Bros was able to buy it before other studios even got a sniff. While Nolan completes that Leonardo DiCaprio-starrer for a July 16th release, he's also hatched an idea for Warner Bros' third Batman installment. Now his brother and frequent collaborator Jonah Nolan, and David Goyer who co-wrote Batman Begins and penned the story for The Dark Knight, are off scripting it. (See 'FlashForward' Showrunner Exits For Features).

Let us emphasize that Superman 3.0 is in the early stages of development. And we doubt Nolan would direct. This wouldn't be a sequel to Superman Returns but a completely fresh franchise. As one of our insiders reassures: “It would definitely not be a followup to Superman Returns." Nolan coming on board follows a hiatus period for Superman after that 2006 reboot as the studio tried to figure out whether or not to make a sequel to that version starring Brandon Routh directed by Bryan Singer. As recently as this summer, Warner Bros was still contemplating how to proceed. We were told that "Bryan or Brandon are not completely out of it yet. But Warner Bros doesn't have a handle yet on it, either. [Producer] Jon Peters is trying to make something happen since he stands to benefit financially. But they [the studio] need to hear a great story that makes sense." Another insider explained to us, "We know what we don't want to do. But we don't know what we want to do. We learned a lot from the last movie, and we want to get it right this time."

Fans have long been yearning for Superman to finally get the big screen Nolan-ized treatment this classic superhero deserves. Warner Bros clearly has learned from its attempt to follow the mediocre 1978-1985 quartet of movies starring Christopher Reeve and produced by Ilya and Alexander Salkind, with 2006's underwhelming Superman Returns. That inbetween period was plagued by long delays and budget troubles and script misses. In 1997, original Batman director Tim Burton tried to make a Superman movie starring Nicolas Cage. Around 2004, J.J. Abrams wrote a film that was the first leg of a trilogy. Abrams wanted to direct, but had only directed episodes of his TV series (and wouldn't make his feature directing debut until 2006's Mission:Impossible III. McG and Brett Ratner separately were attached to that film. Ratner got closest, but Warner Bros was wary of a budget that swelled to $250 million, and which seemed risky after established star Josh Hartnett turned down the 3-picture deal that could have brought him $100 million in salary. After that, Warner Bros bosses didn't embrace Ratner's s choice of soap opera actor Matt Bomer to star.

Other prominent filmmakers were reportedly in the loop, but Warner Bros never pulled the trigger on the picture until Bryan Singer's involvement. Singer's Superman Returns was respectably reviewed for the genre. But it turned in only $52 million opening weekend, and $391 million worldwide gross. Problem was it cost too much (the budget was reportedly $270 million), and the promotion was lousy (Joel Silver was brought in at the last minute to inject macho into the marketing campaign). Worse, it left diehard fans only "meh" about a sequel starring Routh. Singer fared better, but it seems doubtful he'll be asked for an encore now. After all, Singer is now developing the spinoff X-Men: First Class for 20th Century Fox whose bosses were furious when he took on The Man Of Steel reboot instead of helming X-Men 3. But Singer and the studio subsequently made peace and he's back in the Fox fold and on board.

The restructuring of Warner Bros' business with DC Comics became Warner Bros Pictures Group president Jeff Robinov's first priority since having his contract reupped by Time Warner last summer. Problems have plagued the DC Comics-Warner Bros relationship for more than a decade. But the biggest failure has been to leave the most valuable DC Comics characters in movie development limbo by chaotically starting and stopping development on the high profile live action pics. Most recently, Warner Bros and DC Comics are finally getting their act together as evidenced by the progress on Green Lantern.

Superman 3.0 would test Warner Bros veteran executive Diane Nelson, the head of DC Entertainment Inc, that new company founded to fully realize and integrate the power and value of the DC Comics brand and characters across all media and platforms into Warner Bros Entertainment's content and distribution businesses. Nelson especially was charged with suping up Superman again because it's way too valuable to leave dormant like this. Besides, the clock is ticking.

Attorney Marc Toberoff, who keeps suing Warner Bros on behalf of creative rightsholders, warns that, in 2013, the Jerome Siegel heirs along with the estate of co-creator Joe Shuster will own the entire original copyright to Superman -- "and neither DC Comics nor Warner Bros will be able to exploit any new Superman works without a license from the Siegels and Shusters". He's also pointed out that, if Warner Bros does not start production on a new Superman sequel or reboot by 2011, the Siegels could sue to recover their damages on the grounds that the deal should have contained a clause in which the rights returned to the owners after a given time if no film was in development. The heirs of Siegel have already been awarded half the copyright for Superman. And in 2013 the heirs of co-creator Joe Shuster get the remaining half. After that, neither DC Comics nor Warner Bros will be able to use Superman without a financial agreement with the heirs. There are also stipulations on what parts of the origins story can be used in future Superman movies and which require re-negotiations with the creators' heirs or estates.

At first, Warner Bros felt no pressure to rush out another Superman pic. As Warner Bros chairman Alan Horn told a court hearing about rights to Superman, he hoped to make another Superman movie but no film was in development, no script had been written, and the earliest he foresaw another Superman film released would be 2012. He told the judge: "We had hopes to keep the character alive and to once again reinvent Superman. Our hope is to develop a Superman property and to try again. What hurt us is that the reviews and so on for the Superman movie did not get the kind of critical acclaim that Batman got, and we have other issues with Superman that concern us."

So Warner Bros is now bringing in Batman's saviour. What Nolan would do with the Superman character and story is intriguing to say the least. And he has the experience necessary of prepping and pepping a played-out franchise. The 2005 Batman Begins grossed $373 million worldwide on a reported $150 million budget. And of course 2008’s The Dark Knight crossed the $1 billion worldwide gross mark on a reported $185 million budget (and Heath Ledger posthumously won an Oscar for Best Supporting Actor).

But Batman has always been The Dark Knight. But there's a big difference between Superman's cinematic incarnation and comic-book version. Warner Brothers and DC Comics for a long time weren’t sure which version they liked better. The cinematic version has been squeaky clean, occasionally campy, and has more-or-less unlimited power except when confronted with Kryptonite. The comic book version has some limits on his powers, can be darker, and fights aliens a lot more. Shortly after Dark Knight hit it big, fans assumed that Superman would be taken to the “dark” side as well. That's because Warner Bros mogul Jeff Robinov stressed post-Dark Knight that "we have to look at how to make these movies edgier". One of our insiders interpreted this to say: "He meant more sophisticated."

A more comic-accurate Superman seems like the way to go. No need to worry: Chris Nolan knows what he's doing.


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Sorry but...meh.

At this point the concept of Superman is utterly uninteresting to me.


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Get ready for the grittier, darkier, scarier Man of Steel.

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I like Christopher Nolan, but I'm pretty much in the same boat as Slythe. I just don't care about Superman anymore.

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I want to see Kerry Conran make a Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow-ed Superman, dammit.

Live-action Fleischer Superman cartoons FTW.


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That'd actually be kind of cool, 'Skee. Metropolis would definitely look awesome under similar art direction to Sky Captain, of that much I'm certain now that you've prompted the thought.

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A well-done Superman movie could be really good...I just don't see them making anything outside the "Superman thwarts clown-like Luthor" formula.


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After the true, true crap that was Superman Returns (also known as "Superman is a creepy stalker and Lois lane's suspected rapist"), this is probably the best news we could hope for. At least they realized it was crap, and they need to try something else.


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Honestly, they need to get Tom Welling. I don't want to see them tied down to a smallville continuity or a crossover...they just need to use Tom Welling.

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After the true, true crap that was Superman Returns (also known as "Superman is a creepy stalker and Lois lane's suspected rapist"), this is probably the best news we could hope for. At least they realized it was crap, and they need to try something else.

And a deadbeat dad! Don't forget that part.


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Honestly, they need to get Tom Welling. I don't want to see them tied down to a smallville continuity or a crossover...they just need to use Tom Welling.


Tom Welling has emphatically declared that he does not want to be Superman. He needs to realize it's too late for that.

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Indeed, Rori. If he didn't want to be Superman, he shouldn't have started an 8-year (or is it up to 9, now?) audition, much less nailed it.

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Darkroland wrote:
also known as "Superman is a creepy stalker and Lois lane's suspected rapist"


Did I miss something? When did Supes get accused of rape? I thought it was understood (and even mentioned by Bryan Singer) that this was using Superman 1 and 2 as canon. In which case, he and Lois did sleep together. Willingly, I might add. So I just don't understand where that comes from.

As far as the "stalker" aspect. The man can see and hear anything at all. It would be harder for him NOT to eavesdrop on someone. Especially someone he cared for very deeply. Someone that he wants to protect from harm at all costs. I honestly don't see why so many people had a problem with it. Hell, Reeves told Lois what color underwear she had on, and no one was bothered by that.

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And a deadbeat dad! Don't forget that part.


He's a deadbeat dad because he didn't know he had a son? And once he did find out, he basically said he'd always be there for him and his mother? How exactly does that make him a deadbeat dad?

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Caleria wrote:
Darkroland wrote:
also known as "Superman is a creepy stalker and Lois lane's suspected rapist"


Did I miss something? When did Supes get accused of rape? I thought it was understood (and even mentioned by Bryan Singer) that this was using Superman 1 and 2 as canon. In which case, he and Lois did sleep together. Willingly, I might add. So I just don't understand where that comes from.

As far as the "stalker" aspect. The man can see and hear anything at all. It would be harder for him NOT to eavesdrop on someone. Especially someone he cared for very deeply. Someone that he wants to protect from harm at all costs. I honestly don't see why so many people had a problem with it. Hell, Reeves told Lois what color underwear she had on, and no one was bothered by that.


My post was kind of tongue-in-cheek. At the end of Superman II, superman kisses Lois, and erases her memory. Also, it's pretty obvious in Superman Returns that she did not know that her child had any sort of super powers. So at some point, not knowing that she slept with superman, you would think lois would put 2 and 2 together. It's never really addressed, which is kind of just another flaw with the film.

Regarding stalking, superman could've spied on lois from any point in the city with super hearing, etc. However, the long, LONG scene where he simply hovers outside her house staring in her windows, watching her domestic dispute? Kind of voyeuristic and creepy.


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I just think that Brandon Routh got f-ed on the role. They cast him because he had the Christopher Reeve vibe to him. They tailored him to essentially be Christopher Reeve for this role, then they **** on him because he was too much like Reeve.

/*****

And I do agree that they should use Tom Welling. Hell... my daughter would pay (repeatedly) to see him as superman.

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I just think that Brandon Routh got f-ed on the role. They cast him because he had the Christopher Reeve vibe to him. They tailored him to essentially be Christopher Reeve for this role, then they **** on him because he was too much like Reeve.


I disagree entirely. He was perfect for the role, and his bumbling Clark was spot on, f the critics. My issue was that they made a superman movie that was ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FOUR MINUTES long and was boring as hell. The casting was great! Spacey as luthor? That should've been beautiful! I loved reeve as superman, and had nothing against them finding someone that was similar to return to the role.

I really, REALLY wanted to like superman returns. I saw it in the theater and hated it. I rented it when it came out on DVD, hoping that I was just in a bad mood when I went to the theater, and I still hated it. I freaking watched superman IV on netflix watch now and could find something to enjoy about it (which turned out to be Jon Cryer), but this movie really sucked the joy out of superman. It was just.....boring, and meaningless, and did not feel like superman.


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Superman is a difficult package to make interesting. He is too powerful, too good, too smart and too invulnerable to corruption. How do you make a true paladin interesting?

Almost everyone already knows the character, knows he can do pretty much anything, and knows he's the ultimate good guy. The only ones that have ever come "that close' to killing him were an alien more powerful than him (but without the good character and okay, he did kill him, just not permanently) and the Batman, who did it three times.

He's been hurt, damaged, and emotionally scarred, but he always comes back to truth justice and the American Way.

Face it, if there is anything other than Kryptonite that could kill Kal-El it would probably destroy the planet earth first. Using Kryponite gets real old real fast. Even then the big blue boy scout would probably be blubbering about all the dead of his adopted planet rather than dead himself.

So, to make a Superman story truly interesting to the modern audience, you need him to face a challenge that has a chance of defeating or destroying him.

Not even three militarily trained Kryptonians, true super warriors, could do it.

All that is great when you're 9 years old, as an adult, you want your superheroes to overcome challenges that could fry them down to their soles.

If you wrote a story good enough to make Superman grow intellectually or use that magnificent intellect for anything besides calculating the velocity of a sparrow so he doesn't destroy it when flying nearby, the kids would hate it.

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Superman is a difficult package to make interesting. He is too powerful, too good, too smart and too invulnerable to corruption. How do you make a true paladin interesting?

So, to make a Superman story truly interesting to the modern audience, you need him to face a challenge that has a chance of defeating or destroying him.

I'm not sure this is true. I agree that Superman by virtue of being lawful good is predictable, but his vulnerability has always been the people around him. That is where to attack him. You do not need to destroy his form, if you can destroy his spirit.

Not even three militarily trained Kryptonians, true super warriors, could do it.

They definitely made a dent though, he had to remove their powers before he had a shot. :)

If you wrote a story good enough to make Superman grow intellectually or use that magnificent intellect for anything besides calculating the velocity of a sparrow so he doesn't destroy it when flying nearby, the kids would hate it.

I think "The Dark Knight" proves that it's OK to write a story about a comic hero that is darker in tone and targeted to a more mature audience, which means attacking it intellectually is just fine. Not an absolute necessity when it comes to Superman, but OK nonetheless.


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/shrug

I've said it before, I liked Superman Returns. I think they could have done something with it had they continued the story line. Lord knows I have a hundred ideas on how to fix it.

Now, if they put Nolan in charge of this film from the ground up...I would buy it. I honestly think he understands how to make a comic book flick.

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Face it, if there is anything other than Kryptonite that could kill Kal-El it would probably destroy the planet earth first. Using Kryponite gets real old real fast.
He's also vulnerable to magic, psionics, and red solar radiation. None of those hurt a person standing 2 feet from him, much less endanger the planet.

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Not even three militarily trained Kryptonians, true super warriors, could do it.
3 Kryptonians who had just discovered their powers that week and hadn't been absorbing solar radiation their whole lives. They shouldn't have been able to challenge him at all.


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http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/16456/david-goyer-pens-superman-reboot


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Darkroland wrote:
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/16456/david-goyer-pens-superman-reboot


is now claiming that "The Dark Knight" co-scribe Jonah Nolan will be working with Goyer on the project and that the studio is gunning to get the project moving. IESB claims that Jonah Nolan has already handed in a first draft of "Batman 3". No-one has yet made any official comment on any of this at present, making this still all conjecture for now.




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Darkroland wrote:
After the true, true crap that was Superman Returns (also known as "Superman is a creepy stalker and Lois lane's suspected rapist"), this is probably the best news we could hope for. At least they realized it was crap, and they need to try something else.


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Superman thinks to himself, "I'm faster than a speeding bullet. I can fly in there, have sex with her and be gone before she knows it." So in an instant, Superman flies in, does the deed, and flies back out.

At this point, Wonder Woman sits up and says, "Did you hear something?"

"No," replies the Invisible Man, "but my butt is killing me.

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Check out the teaser trailer over at iTunes...

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/wb/manofsteel/

In the theater I saw the one with 'Pa Kent' doing the voice over. This one is the very same but with Jor-El. I am excited. Crowe's dialogue is lifted word for word from All-Star Superman.

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I don't really care for Superman, but the teaser footage looks utterly gorgeous. Zack Snyder hasn't let me down yet, so I'm hoping the combination of Snyder and Nolan will manage to make the big blue boy scout interesting.


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