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Well, that's good at least. It's where his talent lies, anyway.


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I really, truly think the best actor out there right now for Batman would be Idris Elba. What baddassery would ensue.

I'm inclined to say the only problem with casting a black man as Batman is that I'm disappointed it isn't Samuel L. Jackson, but now that he's firmly ensconced as the image of Nick Fury, I can get over that.

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Apparently Joss Whedon approves of this casting.

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I really, truly think the best actor out there right now for Batman would be Idris Elba. What baddassery would ensue.

I'm inclined to say the only problem with casting a black man as Batman is that I'm disappointed it isn't Samuel L. Jackson, but now that he's firmly ensconced as the image of Nick Fury, I can get over that.

Jackson doesn't know when to shut his mouth though, and he's only got one volume setting. Idris Elba can work the silence.


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Damn I hope this is true...

http://www.sneakpeek.ca/2013/08/batman-vs-superman-updates-bryan.html

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According to several internet reports, Emmy Award winning actor Bryan Cranston ("Breaking Bad") has been officially cast as 'Lex Luthor' in director Zack Snyder's developing "Man Of Steel" sequel, with the working title "Batman Vs Superman". Cranston was reportedly signed to appear in at least six DC superhero movies, as Superman's arch-nemesis, throughout a developing series of "DC Universe" films, including "Justice League".


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Corolinth wrote:
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I really, truly think the best actor out there right now for Batman would be Idris Elba. What baddassery would ensue.

I'm inclined to say the only problem with casting a black man as Batman is that I'm disappointed it isn't Samuel L. Jackson....

I don't think there's any "problem" with casting a black Batman, but it would certainly raise some interesting issues. For starters, a core part of Bruce Wayne's back-story is that he comes from an old-money family, long ensconced in the political and cultural elite of Gotham, that instilled in him a sense of old-school noblesse oblige. Also, a lot of the gothic, pseudo-supernatural undertones that surface from time to time (particularly with respect to Wayne Manor, Arkham Asylum, etc.) are tied to that historical grounding as well. A black Bruce Wayne simply wouldn't have that back-story, unless you completely divorce Batverse American history from real-world American history. A new-money, self-made billionaire - which is pretty much what a black Bruce Wayne would have to be - is just a very different character.

Also, I'm sure I'll get some pushback on this, but there's a compelling argument that post-Silver Age Batman (i.e., the "realistic", gritty, violent, angry/vengeful-to-the-point-of-being-mentally-unbalanced Batman) was in many ways the personification of the white, middle-class id, lashing out against the street crime and urban decay of the 70s and 80s (the cultural narrative for which had a strong racial component). Modern-day Batman still reflects that change from his earlier campy depiction. Essentially, Batman and other characters of that era who often fought ordinary thugs and criminals rather than just giant robots and costumed super-villains (e.g., the Punisher) reflected a fantasy of violent retribution on the part of comics' primarily white, middle-class creators and audience. A black Batman would obviously pose some challenges to that subtext.

Anyway, I'm not saying these are reasons not to cast a black actor as Batman. Quite the reverse, really, since there's some interesting fodder for narrative exploration there. I'm just saying that unless you reduce Batman to a shallow "rich guy fighting crime with cool gadgets 'cuz his parents got shot" caricature, casting him as black instead of white changes a lot of the personal and cultural underpinnings of his character.


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RangerDave wrote:
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I really, truly think the best actor out there right now for Batman would be Idris Elba. What baddassery would ensue.

I'm inclined to say the only problem with casting a black man as Batman is that I'm disappointed it isn't Samuel L. Jackson....

I don't think there's any "problem" with casting a black Batman, but it would certainly raise some interesting issues. For starters, a core part of Bruce Wayne's back-story is that he comes from an old-money family, long ensconced in the political and cultural elite of Gotham, that instilled in him a sense of old-school noblesse oblige. Also, a lot of the gothic, pseudo-supernatural undertones that surface from time to time (particularly with respect to Wayne Manor, Arkham Asylum, etc.) are tied to that historical grounding as well. A black Bruce Wayne simply wouldn't have that back-story, unless you completely divorce Batverse American history from real-world American history. A new-money, self-made billionaire - which is pretty much what a black Bruce Wayne would have to be - is just a very different character.


Not necessarily. To quote Public Enemy, "White Man, Black Woman, Black Baby."

Bruce's mother need not be white to fit the requirements above.

That said, Batman isn't black. Batman isn't black anymore than Clark Kent is a ginger.

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This is probably one of the most encouraging bits I've heard, and I wasn't super-down on the notion to begin with.

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That said, Batman isn't black. Batman isn't black anymore than Clark Kent is a ginger.

There's not really anything that "is" or "isn't." These are fictional characters, after all.

Besides, as originally created, Batman used a gun and killed **** with wanton abandon. Character definitions are mutable.


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FarSky wrote:
Talya wrote:
Besides, as originally created, Batman used a gun and killed **** with wanton abandon. Character definitions are mutable.


Speaking of which, here's my favorite comic book cover.

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Hey man, you can't just change things whenever it suits you. This stuff is canon!

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Argo was good.

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Ben Affleck as Batman will suddenly make Batman and Robin a good movie.

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I really don't need any more Batman for a while regardless. I feel pretty meh towards the whole thing. DC sucks.

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Cranston not playing Luthor, no surprise there. Thanks shitty Internet fact checking! I must've seen ten more major sites pick this story up before it was debunked. However, straight from Cranston, "give me a call, I like Lex Luthor."


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Corey Stoll is my ideal choice. I think he could rock it. I love Cranston, but he's a mite old.

Current grain-of-salt rumor is that Batfleck's Alfred will be Timothy Dalton.


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FarSky wrote:
Corey Stoll is my ideal choice. I think he could rock it. I love Cranston, but he's a mite old.

Current grain-of-salt rumor is that Batfleck's Alfred will be Timothy Dalton.


Ooh, I could see Dalton definitely pulling off the sarcastic Alfred. Maybe not so much the crying Michael Caine version.


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Darkroland wrote:
FarSky wrote:
Corey Stoll is my ideal choice. I think he could rock it. I love Cranston, but he's a mite old.

Current grain-of-salt rumor is that Batfleck's Alfred will be Timothy Dalton.


Ooh, I could see Dalton definitely pulling off the sarcastic Alfred. Maybe not so much the crying Michael Caine version.


He can also pull off the "Alfred is actually a former MI-6 operative" backstory with particular amusement.

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There is a semi new Bat series that is set in Earth One. In that series Alfred is a bad *** with a gun and a peg leg. hehe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Pen ... #Earth_One

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