The Glade 4.0

On the one hand, the obvious shallowness and insincerity of Lavigne's plastic, poseur-punk style and faux-rebel attitude infuriate me to no end, but on the other hand, I have to admit that I find her extremely attractive, and her songs have a fun energy to them (I'm actually a fan of pop) if you don't think about the lyrics too much.

Well, this video is about as pure a distillation of the former as you can get, but I got a real kick out of all the pop-culture references (particularly the Wonder Years voice-over), the comic book framing, the goofy humor with the lobster and the dog, and the over-the-top blasphemy of Avril Lavigne standing in for Slash.



Gah! I don't know - what say you, Gladers? or ? As always with Avril, I'm stuck on .

I'm pretty much in the same boat, I think.

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"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

I refuse to consider the projected attitudes and emotions of entertainers contain any real world validity. It's about as significant as a buxom actress flashing her underwear and endorsing a candidate.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Who is Avril Lavigne?

Chad Kroger's penis has been all over that. #forevertainted

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Aren't those traits part of pretty much any and every rock star, regardless of genre?

Huh.

A long time ago, I heard Avril Lavigne play "Complicated" on acoustic guitar, live, when she was still like, 16 years old or so. She writes her own stuff, she plays guitar, she's a real musician.

She's just...I don't know. I blame it on the generation gap. She's simply not my type of music, and I could do without her style of...well, anything. But I think... she's good enough that every once in a while one of her songs get stuck in my head and I don't immediately scream for it to leave.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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That is the problem Talya. She has talent, she can be so much more. She chooses to be the rebel punk pop princess.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

To thine own self be true.

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Raell Kromwell

You really think the "Rebel punk pop princess" image is the problem? Did you complain about Billy Idol's "Rebel Punk Pop Prince?" I always loved me some Billy Idol back in the 80's. Now, a lot of music I liked in the 80's didn't have any longevity, and I can't stand it anymore. (I was aged 6-16 through the 80's, my musical tastes have changed.) But Billy's still on my playlist.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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I don't know much about Billy Idol's biography, but given the era, I'm guessing he probably lived the "sex, drugs, and rock & roll" lifestyle that went with his image. Avril Lavigne, by contrast, disdains drugs, explicitly eschews a public display of sexuality, practices yoga, eats healthy, etc., but then lays claim to a rebel pop-punk image because she swears, has some tattoos, and does most of her shopping at Hot Topic. That's what's so annoying to me. I've never had much respect for the sex/drugs/r&r thing, but it is what it is, and if you're going for the image but don't live the life, you're pretty much a poseur by definition.

For me, I don't care about the "image" that much. My opinion of Avril still hasn't recovered from her mispronunciation of David Bowie's name at the Grammy Awards. I mean, who doesn't know David Bowie in the music industry?

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Billy Idol at least sold the image. Pink also does a decent job of selling the image, even though Punk'd showed she clearly is just as vulnerable and insecure as any other wo...... person.

In fact, most (if not all) bands are about selling an image that is a hyper-exaggeration of their actual selves or just completely an acted persona. Dexter Holland from the Offspring is a molecular biologist with published papers. Tom Araya from Slayer is a devout, faithful, and practicing Catholic.

It's all about selling the image you're portraying to the audience. For me, Avril can't sell the image.

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Les Zombis et les Loups-Garous!

While I know who she is, I'm proud to say I've never felt vexxed in the slightest by Avril Lavigne. I thought her girlfriend video was funny, that's about it.

When Avril Lavigne first started getting airplay in the U.S., it was clear her songs were targeted at people five to ten years younger than me.

She's cute, she can sing well, she can play a guitar reasonably well, and she writes all her own stuff. That's about all the more attention I've ever paid to her.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

/shrug

It seems pretty apparent that she's having fun, making a metric **** ton of money and more or less doing it on her own terms. I'm not really sure how you can do much more than that in the music business.

The alternative is.. she could make good music...(see any Stathol post in the earbug thread for possible examples)

I feel you are all missing the most important fact in this thread. Nothing good can come out of something that Chad Kroger's penis has been in.

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Cigar cutter?

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Les Zombis et les Loups-Garous!

Would you smoke that?

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I hear it wouldn't be the first time for him...

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The Dude abides.

Meh, I didn't even know she was still around. She's a little too pop for me.

I prefer Lizzy Hale.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmkHqUwa4zg

Or the Lacuna Coil lady.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTT6picaCoQ

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She sounds like all the other cloned pop **** you here in some stupid clothes boutique in any mall in amerka...... vomit

Oh hell yes. Christina Scabbia or something like that, I think.

Last I heard she was with the guitarist of Slipknot.

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Les Zombis et les Loups-Garous!

/shrug

"good music" is so subjective as to be undefinable. I've listened to more of her music due to this thread and it's actually pretty solid pop rock IMHO.