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Author:  FarSky [ Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:48 pm ]
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Woah.

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/rober ... 201312229/
Author:  Raell [ Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:25 pm ]
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Ugggg, I'd rather they didn't do that.

Edit: How do they do this story line without Spider-Man and the entire mutant population? How many heroes are there now? A dozen active in the whole movie universe.
Author:  Rorinthas [ Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:40 pm ]
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Yeah does seem a little premature. Hopefully they're just setting the stage and the entire movie isn't about the civil war. I'm glad Downey is investing more in the mythos than previously thought.
Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:28 am ]
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That article... :psyduck:

I mean, first of all, yeah. I don't get the decision to go ahead with Civil War when you just don't have enough movie-verse superhumans to credibly pass them off as out of control. More than half of them work for S.H.I.E.L.D. already! How are you supposed to object to a registry being created and kept by S.H.I.E.L.D. (damn you, outrageous acronym creators!) when HR already has your legal name and address to keep you on payroll, and Nick Fury regularly makes house calls?

Then, the part that really blew my mind, was when Bruce Banner was pitched (by the article, and not a Marvel source, I hope) as a reasonable alternative to Tony Stark in spearheading registration. That's just... :psyduck:
Author:  Screeling [ Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:31 am ]
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CIVIL WAR! I'm with Couldn't Care Less!
Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:35 am ]
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Oh, and that's a good point. I didn't even get into the whole "and by making Civil War a Captain America movie, you get to completely **** over any controversy or moral grey space that gives Iron Man the benefit of the doubt and concedes that he's got a reasonable political stance." I mean, even Mark Millar wasn't dumb enough to run Civil War as a Captain America arc, and he was heavy handed and biased in execution even as a crossover/miniseries.
Author:  Corolinth [ Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:00 am ]
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I don't see how you get superhero registration as a moral grey space when mutant registration was a thing in the X-Men comics.
Author:  TheRiov [ Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:09 am ]
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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
That article... :psyduck:

I mean, first of all, yeah. I don't get the decision to go ahead with Civil War when you just don't have enough movie-verse superhumans to credibly pass them off as out of control. More than half of them work for S.H.I.E.L.D

Well... not exactly. SHIELD is no longer a government organization so anyone they did have working for them would be a threat. With the addition of Graviton, Absorbing Man, Deathlok, Blizzard, etc most of the super-powered individuals definitely fit in the badguy/potential threat category.
Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:15 am ]
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Oh, crap. Are you wandering into Agents of SHIELD territory?
Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:18 am ]
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Corolinth wrote:
I don't see how you get superhero registration as a moral grey space when mutant registration was a thing in the X-Men comics.

This is actually a factor in Tony's support. The outrage over Stamford was going to lead to some kind of action being taken. By getting out in front of it, and putting himself in the position to oversee it, Tony can temper the severity of the response, as well as ensure that the information is in trusted, moral hands. Unless, of course, you don't trust Tony to say "No" to reproductive restrictions or genetic concentration camps or the like that was always the looming threat of mutant registration.

Or, rather, this is the kind of reasoning that better writers than Millar were able to communicate was behind Tony's support.
Author:  TheRiov [ Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:18 am ]
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Well, since Agents of SHIELD & CA2 tell parallel parts of the same story you're kinda stuck with it.
Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:04 pm ]
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Yeah, except I dropped Agents of SHIELD before that, so I have to work from a position of ignorance, there.
Author:  FarSky [ Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:46 pm ]
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AoS sucked until they synced up with Winter Soldier, then it got quite good.

Regarding Marvel's plans...you know, normally I'd agree, but at this point, they've bought themselves the benefit of the doubt.
Author:  Darkroland [ Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:36 pm ]
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Yeah, not sure how they're rebooting Civil War as a movie and comic series. Although, if they use it as an opportunity to bring in a lot of sideline characters who haven't been cinematic yet..... maybe?

Civil War, I'm with FarSky (in that they're doing things pretty well so far, so let's see?)
Author:  Khross [ Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:26 pm ]
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There's no Reed Richards to convince Stark that the moral decision is the mathematically effectual one.

There's no Reed Richards to learn that some variables are beyond ALL minds in the known Universe.

There are no mutants.

There are no Reality TV Shows making B-List Criminals into C-List Heroes.

Agents of SHIELD has a lot of ground to cover before Civil War is possibility. And Tony Stark coming off as the morally fractious douchenozzle without any world building around it ...

Civil War only worked because WE knew the universe. We don't know this one. I share Kaffis's trepidation.
Author:  Lenas [ Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:07 pm ]
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Khross wrote:
There's no Reed Richards to convince Stark that the moral decision is the mathematically effectual one.

There's no Reed Richards to learn that some variables are beyond ALL minds in the known Universe.

There are no mutants.

There are no Reality TV Shows making B-List Criminals into C-List Heroes.

Agents of SHIELD has a lot of ground to cover before Civil War is possibility. And Tony Stark coming off as the morally fractious douchenozzle without any world building around it ...

Civil War only worked because WE knew the universe. We don't know this one. I share Kaffis's trepidation.


You can say all of this, and you're probably right, but most people won't give a crap and will still enjoy the explosions while the movie gets stellar reviews everywhere. Like everything, it will only be a disappointment to the relatively low amount of people with expectations.
Author:  Khross [ Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:24 pm ]
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I do not dispute that it will be an undoubtedly FUN ride. I do not doubt that Robert Downey, Jr. and Chris Evans are up to some difficult scenes, dialogue, and otherwise taut writing. I think a Whedon run Marvelverse might be a place where we can see a little magic. But here's the thing ...

This is some serious meat with some serious flaws to correct and deliver in 2 or 3 movies tops.

It is a daunting task, and for that ... well, history ...
Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:44 pm ]
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I'd be a lot more comfortable if, for instance, either the Spider-Man or X-Men licenses was coming up for renewal in the next year or three. Then, you can figure Marvel plans on declining to renew them and having a project ready to shoot and quickly inject more of the characters that support the atmosphere of widespread publicly visible vigilantism that sets the stage for a populace that's actually able to be panicked about unsupervised vigilantes and supercrime.

Maybe this is something that they can build up over 4 years of Agents of Shield bad guys and Netflix series Hell's Kitchen. But with Marvel mostly retaining the rights to it's tech-characters (Iron Man, Ant Man, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Iron Man villains, Hydra, AIM, the Falcon, Bucky and so on are all gadget characters), there are an alarmingly small number of superhumans to register. Banner, Cap, Thor, Loki, Wanda and Pietro thanks to the sharing...

Because of the way most characters stock their rogues and allies with thematically similar origins, lacking Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, and the X-Men means you're missing almost all of your science and genetic powered characters that are powered in their own right.
Author:  Xequecal [ Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:12 pm ]
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I, for one, am wondering how they're going to pull off having Iron Man fight Captain America in a movie without making it look utterly contrived and ridiculous. Iron Man can fly and has ranged attacks, it's hard to imagine how it could be more one sided.
Author:  Lenas [ Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:55 pm ]
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I don't see why it would be any more ridiculous than what Cap did in his last movie or in The Avengers.

The biggest disappointment is that we'll probably have to wait for Avengers 4 to see Thor beat the **** out of Tony Stark, if ever :(
Author:  Khross [ Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:05 pm ]
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Xequecal wrote:
I, for one, am wondering how they're going to pull off having Iron Man fight Captain America in a movie without making it look utterly contrived and ridiculous. Iron Man can fly and has ranged attacks, it's hard to imagine how it could be more one sided.
You have absolutely no idea how good Steve Rogers actually is, do you?
Author:  Darkroland [ Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:39 pm ]
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Author:  Raell [ Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:05 am ]
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Hummm.

Maybe the internet is losing its mind for no reason. This could just be a Hydra plot to take over the country. AoS has made it clear that Hydra is still very strong and active.
Author:  Talya [ Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:34 am ]
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Khross wrote:
There are no mutants.


Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are in Age of Ultron.
Author:  Khross [ Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:56 am ]
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Not sure they will be mutants in the movies.
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