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Rafael [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:35 pm ]

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Monte wrote:

Van Damme is a tool. He loses. Chan loses as well, amazing as he is. He's freaking old. I've never seen Li outside of the context of a movie. Chuck Norris gets torn in half. That leaves Segal and Shamrock, and in my book Shamrock wins.

Shamrock is an old, old man now. After getting his **** ruined three times by fat-head Tito Ortiz, his career can come down to getting his legs kicked to death by irrelevant but not incapable guys. Watch the recent Pedro Rizzo match.

I would say Seagal has a good chance against Shamrock due to his style and size. We know Shamrock is strictly a one dimensional catch wrestler with non-existent striking skills. His submission skills were very, very good, but people have caught up in that game and mediocre skills in an aging body as his athleticism wanes by the day. There's only one old man who really has stayed somewhat in the game, Randy Couture. But he's a freak of nature.

However, Seagal is even older than Shamrock, but his career and style of martial arts doesn't lend itself to aging the body at an advanced rate like Shamrock. I'd be interested in learning if he practiced any other styles. If he has any Kodokan Judo at all, he'd give Shamrock fits. However, Seagal's style is strictly for dealing with self-defense situations, not mitigating other fighting styles which gives Shamrock another edge. However, competitive fighting like freestyle, Pankration, Vale Tudo and MMA don't concern themselves with fighting in anything but "ideal" conditions. If this were to happen in a bar or any place with uneven surfaces, obstacles to navigate around and the like, Seagal might have an advantage in that aspect.

How about Screech from Saved by the Bell?

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Another celebrity martial artist I found out about is pretty boy Paul Walker. After watching him triangle choke Vin Diesel in the latest Fast and the Furious movie, I wondered if he had been instructed specifically for that scene, or if he actually practiced Sambo/BJJ/Judo. He is a purple belt @ Paragon in under Ricardo "Franjinha" Miller. No idea what his lineage is, but he has some impressive credentials.

List of other celebrity jiujitsu practitioners:

Spoiler:

Sean Patrick Flanery is a black belt, studied with Rickson Gracie and has been competitive and successful at international events. Of course, Chuck Norris is on there. Steve Irwin is included, as well.

So there's another + for Chuck Norris. Does Brock Lesnar count? Or The Undertaker?

Of the ones you mentioned, Shamrock at his peak, but I would give Seagal about an even chance.

Author:	Rodahn [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:28 pm ]
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The Randori thread got me thinking. Select from the list of name below and place them in an elimination tree based on whom you think would win (including overall champion): Steven Seagal (Aikido) Chuck Norris (Chun Kuk Do) Jackie Chan (various, mostly Kung Fu) Jet Li (various, mostly Wushu/Kung Fu) Jean-Claude van Damme (Karate) Ken Shamrock (mixed martial arts) (NOTE: All contestants are assumed to be at the height of their ability for this competition.) EDIT: Substitutions with other martial artists (living or dead) is okay if you prefer them to one of the above choices. If you do this, stick with artists that are famous in some other popular form of media, not Hung Lo Dong -- grandmaster 14th century ninja or something.

Author:	Hopwin [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:50 am ]
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Rodahn wrote: The Randori thread got me thinking. Select from the list of name below and place them in an elimination tree based on whom you think would win (including overall champion): Steven Seagal (Aikido) Chuck Norris (Chun Kuk Do) Jackie Chan (various, mostly Kung Fu) Jet Li (various, mostly Wushu/Kung Fu) Jean-Claude van Damme (Karate) Ken Shamrock (mixed martial arts) (NOTE: All contestants are assumed to be at the height of their ability for this competition.) EDIT: Substitutions with other martial artists (living or dead) is okay if you prefer them to one of the above choices. If you do this, stick with artists that are famous in some other popular form of media, not Hung Lo Dong -- grandmaster 14th century ninja or something. I'm gonna have to go with Ditka and the Bear-bus here.

Author:	Dash [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:10 am ]
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I know all the jokes about Chuck Norris, but the guy was the Middleweight Karate Champion for 6 straight years. Meaning, a professional fighter. He destroys Chan and Jet Li, Van Damme, and likely Bruce Lee by the way, who so far as I know are actors that are well trained in martial arts. As for Shamrock, he's a fighter and I believe has a good deal of height and weight advantage, other than that I dont know much about him. Segal, he's another actor. The only thing about him is his size, google says he's 6'4, but I'd still have my money on the pro fighter.

Author:	DFK! [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:40 am ]
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Rodahn wrote: Select from the list of name below and place them in an elimination tree based on whom you think would win (including overall champion): Steven Seagal (Aikido) Chuck Norris (Chun Kuk Do) Jackie Chan (various, mostly Kung Fu) Jet Li (various, mostly Wushu/Kung Fu) Jean-Claude van Damme (Karate) Ken Shamrock (mixed martial arts) (NOTE: All contestants are assumed to be at the height of their ability for this competition.) I'd add Wesley Snipes and Tony Jaa. I don't know how I'd make an "elimination bracket" because I'm unsure of the original positioning/pairing. However... Jean-Claude would lose to whoever he fought in the first round, as would Jackie Chan. Shamrock and Jaa would depend heavily upon who they fought. Snipes, Norris, Li, and Seagal are all contenders, but I wouldn't go so far as to say "evenly matched." The strongest in the field are Norris, Li, and Seagal, to my mind. Who would win ultimately? Not sure I could say definitively, but probably Seagal. Which, as Monty said in the other thread, just feels.... wrong.

Author:	Screeling [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:57 pm ]
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DFK! wrote: Uinan wrote: Fas far as DFK!'s comment that Jean-Claud & Chan going out in the first round, well. Wouldn't it make an epic first round if those two were paired together? LOL They might dance each other to death.

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Author:	Monte [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:08 pm ]
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Van Damme is a tool. He loses. Chan loses as well, amazing as he is. He's freaking old. I've never seen Li outside of the context of a movie. Chuck Norris gets torn in half. That leaves Segal and Shamrock, and in my book Shamrock wins.

Author:	Rodahn [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:10 pm ]
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Well, remember, I'm talking the height of their ability. Some of the older contestants were younger at their height. Edited original post for clarity.

Author:	Raell [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:28 pm ]
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Fail...you didn't put Bruce Lee in here.

Author:	Rodahn [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:29 pm ]
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That was intentional. I wanted to stick to living martial artists.

Author:	Raell [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:31 pm ]
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"All contestants are assumed to be at the height of their ability for this competition" What has dead got to do with it?

Author:	Rodahn [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:35 pm ]
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I've been called out before on mixing live and dead representatives of something in the past, and wanted to avoid that. If you wanted to do a substitution (living or dead), tho, that would be fine.

Author:	Raltar [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:53 pm ]
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I've never seen most of those guys in their element. Shamrock, Seagal and Norris are the only ones I've actually seen in action and I'd have to give it to Seagal based on the fact that I've never seen Li, Chan or Van Damme outside of movies.

Author:	Midgen [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:09 pm ]
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Would come down to Shamrock and Seagal. I doubt Shamrock would ever lay a hand on Seagal , but if he did, Seagal could not take the beating he'd get. That said, the two disciplines don't really line up....

Author:	Nevandal [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:40 am ]
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Well, besides the fact that Bruce Lee would tear them all apart....I would say Jackie Chan in his prime would be the most difficult to beat out of the names listed. EDIT: Oh, and no Tony Jaa either? Bruce Lee and Tony Jaa need to be on your list, man.

Author:	darksiege [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:57 am ]
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okay... what about Mark Dacascos or Don 'The Dragon' Wilson?

Author:	Aethien [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:27 pm ]
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Maybe it's an urban legend, but one of these match-ups supposedly almost happened: Sylvester Stallone claims that: Quote: At a party in my home in Miami in 1997, Van Damme was tired of Seagal claiming he could kick his *** so he offered Seagal outside into my back yard. Seagal made his excuses and left. But Van Damme, who was berserk, tracked him down at a nightclub and offered him out again.Van Damme was too strong. Seagal wanted none of it. I've often wondered that, if this really did happen, Seagal didn't take him up on the offer because of the basic philosophy of Aikido. You know, fight only if forced to, that kind of thing. And, yeah, Bruce Lee FTW. There are some interesting stories about him before he hit the big time, which if true suggest that he as pretty bad-ass when people called him out.

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Author:	Elmarnieh [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:22 am ]
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Bruce Lee would own them all in the face. That said, I think I am going with Jet Li - he seems the most currently in shape and is still pretty skilled.

Author:	Timmit [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:49 am ]
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In their prime, of the options in the original post probably Shamrock, with Segal being my #2 pick. Their size alone gives them a huge advantage against the smaller guys on the list and Shamrock, limited as he is, is still more multi-dimensional than most of these guys...

Author:	Uinan [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:38 am ]
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When I saw Shamrock was included on this list, I couldn't help but giggle at the thought of what Brock Lesnar would be capable of doing to some of them. Fas far as DFK!'s comment that Jean-Claud & Chan going out in the first round, well. Wouldn't it make an epic first round if those two were paired together? LOL

Author:	DFK! [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:33 pm ]
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Uinan wrote: Fas far as DFK!'s comment that Jean-Claud & Chan going out in the first round, well. Wouldn't it make an epic first round if those two were paired together? LOL They might dance each other to death.

Author:	Monte [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:00 pm ]
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I'm revising. First, because we are talking about people at their peak, which I overlooked, and second, because the frame of the fight is unclear. What are the rules? It is an MMA match? Are there rules at all? Is it kickboxing? Bare knuckle sparring? That changes things considerably. Both Van Damme and Norris are champion kick boxers. If it's kickboxing, it's those two in the finals. Jet Li and Jackie Chan are both serious martial artists, despite what we see in the movies. hmmm..

Author:	Midgen [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:31 pm ]
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Even if that story were true, which I doubt, Seagal not fighting doesn't mean he didn't think he would win; (for many reasons).

Author:	DFK! [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:04 pm ]
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Seagal laughed about it on Lawman, and said basically "it didn't happen and if it did I'd squish him like a bug."

Author:	Rodahn [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:06 pm ]
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Quote: EDIT: Oh, and no Tony Jaa either? Bruce Lee and Tony Jaa need to be on your list, man. You can use substitutions if you wish. I was just using my original line-up as a template. As for the rules: No rules, really. Full contact, open arena, no bars/ropes. Use everything you know at your disposal. As far as Bruce Lee goes -- I'm not convinced he would dominate everyone so easily. He was damn good, but the others were no slouches themselves.