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So Leigh Butler (the one that has been doing the Wheel of Time recaps on tor.com, posted her non-spoiler review of TGS. I can't believe after waiting 4 years, its finally being released on Tuesday. Really looking forward to it.

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The Wheel of Time: The Gathering Storm Advance Review
Leigh Butler
Guess what Iiiii have…

That’s right, guys and gals, I have here beneath THIS VERY CUT an advance review of The Gathering Storm, the about-to-be-released twelfth novel in this little fantasy series one or two people may have heard about. You know me, I like to traffic in obscure works of litrachoor.

Or, er, whatever. Anyway! The rumors, they are true: I have indeed read the latest installment of the world-renowned Wheel of Time series, and I’m about to tell you what I thunk about it.

Rest assured that this review contains absolutely no spoilers of any kind – it’s in bold, so you know it’s true! – because I am a firm believer in the ancient Klingon proverb, that highly anticipated novels you will actually shell out to read in hardcover are a dish best served cold.

Corollararily, all youse mugs reading this review are asked, nay, exhorted to similarly refrain from spoiling people in the comments, once you have the wherewithal to do so. I would even ask that you continue to refrain from posting spoilers regarding the Prologue, Chapter 1, or Chapter 2, despite their public availability; remember, there are still people waiting to read the whole thing in one blow.

Yet fear not! For there will be another, infinitely more spoilerriffic TGS post going up (I hope) the day of release, in which you may yammer about TGS specifics to your heart’s content. But that is the entrée; this is the appetizer, so keep your spoilery little elbows off the table, sit up straight, and hold on to your drool until the main dish is soived, lest I rap yer knuckles with the Ladle of WOT Blogger Rage.

Look, I don’t know, I’m a little giddy here. I can’t imagine why!

So, if you dare, roll up your sleeves, grab a shrimp fork, shake off the weevils, and dig in!

I don’t mind telling you, I agonized a little bit – or maybe a lot of bit – over writing this review, even though this will probably be by necessity far shorter than the spoiler-laden review I plan to put up later. (Well. For Leigh values of “shorter”, anyway.) But that was actually part of the problem; accurately detailing my feelings about this book, which is something we as fans have been waiting for and anticipating and (in some cases) sort of dreading for four years, without being able to discuss the specifics of why I felt that way, has actually proven much more difficult to figure out how to write. But I did my best.

The main problem is that I have a lot of feelings about this book, in a way that’s very difficult to encapsulate with any kind of coherency. However, if I were absolutely forced to come up with one succinct phrase that sums up my reaction to The Gathering Storm, it would have to be this:

Holy ****.

I know, a New York Times review this is not. Come on, it’s not like you’re surprised. But, well, there you have it. Never let it be said I ain’t honest, though. Vulgar, but honest!

I really tried to come up with another way to express it, but I just couldn’t. The flabbergasted connotation of the profanity serves my purpose too well to be denied, since the sheer amount of emotional rollercoastering this thing put me through has principally left me rather dazed. The fact that I read all 300,000+ words of this absolute cinderblock of a novel in about six hours flat probably didn’t help, of course.

(As a side note on that, I don’t know if there are any folks left still complaining about splitting the last volume into three novels, but if there are, they can stuff it. This monstrosity practically gave me tennis elbow, and it’s just one-third of the story!)

So, what do I mean by “emotional rollercoastering”? Well, let’s see. In no particular order, and without naming names or places or, well, anything, TGS contained: at least two scenes that made me cry, several scenes that caused at least partial *headdesk*ing (I know, you’re shocked), a scene that managed to profoundly irritate me at the exact same time I was going “HELLS, YES”, a couple of scenes that made me go “wait, what?”, more than one scene that made me go “wait, WHAT?”, at least one scene that made me go “Awww”, a scene that upset me so much I had to put the book down and walk away for a while, a scene that left me with nothing but a kind of stunned feeling of “Uh. So... that happened”, one scene (and possibly two) that almost made me throw the book across the room, except that the book probably would have punched through the wall and killed someone in the next apartment, an extremely pivotal scene that I still can’t make up my mind on how I feel about it, except for giggling in diabolical glee anticipating the fan reaction, and at least two and probably three scenes (or hell, probably the entire plot arc, but definitely one scene in particular) that just may be the most awesomely awesome thing that ever awesomed in this series.

I’m serious on that last, I almost started clapping like a seal. And we are now declaring a moratorium on the word “scene” for the rest of this review, because it doesn’t even look like a word anymore.

So, yeah. “Emotional rollercoaster” is not even in it, you guys.

At least one criticism that can absolutely never be leveled at TGS is that nothing happened, because, um, no. The sheer amount of crap that happened in this book has kind of set my head a-whirl, actually. So much so, in fact, that I didn’t realize until after I’d finished it just how much stuff it never even got to – really important stuff, too!

And how was the writing, you ask?

Well, it was not the same. Not entirely. Much of it seemed to be the same vintage Jordan style we all know and love, of course, but there were definitely differences: a word or phrase here, a simile there, lines of dialogue or even entire internal monologues that were, not enough to take me out of the story, but enough to make me blink a bit. Little things, but things that definitely struck me as things Jordan would not have written.

Now mind you, however, “different” is not the same thing as “bad”, and it’s not like anyone should be surprised by this; Brandon and Harriet told us that Brandon was not going to try to slavishly imitate Jordan’s voice, and indeed we were made well aware that Brandon was going to bring his own voice into the story. I agree now, as I did then, that that was the right direction to go; if nothing else, the simple honesty of the decision makes me applaud it. Plus, it’s worth pointing out that for all the words and phrases I did note, there are likely ten times as many I didn’t. And frankly, I don’t know that the things that jumped out at me would even be noticed by someone who hasn’t been analyzing WOT literally almost line by line for the last ten months. In some ways I think I am really not the best person to judge on this score, simply because of how ridiculously close I am to the material.

That being said, I am hardly the only fan of which that is true, and I can predict with a fair degree of confidence that the difference is going to be something some readers won’t be able to get past. However, I will also say that I think they will be doing the book, and the series, a disservice by dismissing it on those grounds.

Obviously, we would all have preferred to have the Wheel of Time finished exactly as Robert Jordan would have finished it. But alas, fate was not so kind, and so we must instead be appreciative of the extremely apparent enormous amount of care and effort Mr. Sanderson (along with the rest of Team Jordan, to whom the novel is tellingly dedicated) poured into upholding Jordan’s legacy. And at the same time, I must admire Brandon’s bravery (I can’t think of another word to use for it) not only in taking on a task which to call “daunting” is to not even understand the scope of it, but in risking putting his own stamp on such a widely-known and fiercely beloved saga as the Wheel of Time.

And he does do so, in ways that are sometimes frankly rather shocking. (At least, I think they are his; the above notwithstanding, while I could pick out individual words here and there, it’s not usually obvious which scenes (oops) are Jordan’s and which are Sanderson’s, and which are both.) This is something I’ll have to discuss more later, when we get to the spoilers, but my point is TGS was not by any means a Mad Libs exercise where Brandon just filled in some nouns and dress descriptions; he is there in it too, and he makes some moves (again, I think; I’m just guessing here) which are – well, they are risky. Whether the risk pays off may have to be a decision personal to the individual reader.

For my part, even aside from scenes (agh!) of awesome awesomeing (*clapclap*), I may not be entirely sure how I feel about some of what happened in The Gathering Storm, whether it was Jordan’s work or Sanderson’s – one thing’s for sure, it’s going to be a doozy of a recap – but there is no doubt that I’m damn glad they wrote it.

And I’m damn glad I got to read it.


And here endeth the review! Comment in peace, and without spoilers, please, and I’ll see you guys next week for The Post of Infinite Spoilers. This is gonna be fun.


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That poorly written review makes me not care about her opinion at all. Is she in 6th grade?

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/shrug

She does a great job with the recaps. Its probably fairly difficult to write a review without actually mentioning anything that happens in the book.


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That poorly written review makes me not care about her opinion at all. Is she in 6th grade?


Its hard to write a review without *any* spoilers.

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And it looking over it, if you aren't a fan of the series, you may not get it. She uses, not exactly code language, but language that communicates certain things to fans of the series.

Like I know exactly what this "several scenes that caused at least partial *headdesk*ing" is referencing.

I think she did a great job giving a review that had absolutely no spoilers, and yet was still able to effectively communicate her impressions of the book to fans of the series.


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Err...I don't. And I've been reading the series for over half of my life. Even used to read rasfwrj.

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Um...ok? I did say "I". I didn't say "everybody".


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Müs wrote:
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That poorly written review makes me not care about her opinion at all. Is she in 6th grade?


Its hard to write a review without *any* spoilers.

I'm talking about stylistically, not content. Way too colloquial. I couldn't make it past the first couple paragraphs.

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Screeling wrote:
Müs wrote:
Screeling wrote:
That poorly written review makes me not care about her opinion at all. Is she in 6th grade?


Its hard to write a review without *any* spoilers.

I'm talking about stylistically, not content. Way too colloquial. I couldn't make it past the first couple paragraphs.


Ah, ok. So you didn't read the review, but just the "bumper", or intro...whatever its called. With her recaps she always does something different for each intro. It is usually the same, or similar info that needs to be conveyed over and over for each set of chapters she is recapping, so she tries to liven it up. Some are good, some aren't. The one she did that was all in Haiku was particularly good. This one looks like she was trying for the carnival worker.


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Err...I don't. And I've been reading the series for over half of my life. Even used to read rasfwrj.

Actually, I think Aegnor should've said "people who've read her recaps" would get, not fans of the series (although there's obviously a lot of intersection between those two groups).

As for style, she operates very much on a blogging trope, where she's interested in a conversational tone and the way she comments on the chapters her reread entries cover is focussed more on capturing her reactions than on standing up to editorial, critical, or academic scrutiny. As such, she frequently slips into semi-stream of consciousness mode, where she doesn't go back and edit things out as her thoughts settle, because that's half the point of her commentary; to react along with us.

This review is much the same way, except with the burden of being non-spoileriffic.

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Today's the day! Going to pick up my book during lunch.


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So I haven't finished the book yet (curse my busy schedule right when the book comes out), but I have read quite a bit of it (not quite half). Really incredible so far.

I reached one scene that totally shocked me. It had me screaming "NOOOOOO!" at the book. And then what I was yelling not to happen didn't happen, but I'm not sure that what did happen isn't much much worse. It left me totally stunned.

Its the kind of thing that makes you have to put the book down so you can process what just occured (it has to be the same scene that Leigh was refering to).


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If you're referring to the Leigh's stunned feeling of "Oh wow...that happened..."

Nope, you aren't there yet.


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I was thinking more along the lines of this comment "a scene that upset me so much I had to put the book down and walk away for a while".

MAJOR SPOILER for first half of TGS below...

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I thinkthat whole incident was the plan of the Dark One. Semirhage had failed him, and then been broken by Cadsuane. He knew that if Semi was released, what she'd do. He knew that when Semi used the colar to force Rand to slowly squeeze the life out of Min, that Rand would do ANYTHING to stop it. Including touching the True Power.

That was a first step for Rand, towards the Dark. Now he has that power there, calling to him like a drug. And each time he touches it he becomes more and more corrupted.

Semirhage realized right before she died, that that was the DO's plan all along, which is why she screamed that the DO had betrayed her.


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Okay, I was thrown off because in her "Spoiler" review (don't read until you've finished the book btw lol), she referred to that as a "Wait, WHAT?" scene, then said it was the one that upset her, so I had that connected with a different scene hehe.


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Yeah, definitely staying away from that till I finish. I'm to Chapter 38 I think...

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Finished chapter where Nynaeve captures the boy who poisoned the messenger.


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Yeah, you're almost right up to what I thought was probably my real "holy ****" moment lol.

And the "spoiler" review is a good read for after you finish it. Some good observations and such.


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Ok, guess I was actually on chapter 33, not 38. I finished chapter 34 and 35 during lunch.


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:shock: :shock: :shock: :o

Holy crap. That goes back to book 2. Such a tiny tiny little hint.

Stunned.


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Wow...stunned doesn't cover it.

Chapter 39 was epic.


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Finished the book.

Much happy!

Need next!


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Non-Spoiler review:

I absolutely loved it. For one thing, a LOT of stuff happened. Really jaw dropping stuff. Stuff that has been set up since the original trilogy bear fruit in this book. Revelations that make me want to go back and re-read all the books again, even though I just reread them a few months ago.

I'm so glad that this has worked out well. It could have turned out like the continuation of Azimov's Foundation series after he died, where Greg Benford wrote that absolutely horrible book Foundation's Fear. So having a top notch writer like Brandon Sanderson take over is a big relief.

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So many great moments. Like Cadsuane finally figuring out how to break Semirhage. You had to know things would go bad, but I never expected things to go as they did.

Shaidar Haran freeing Semirhage, who then grabbed the colar and managed to get it on Rands neck, I could have seen that coming. Semirhage then forcing Rand to torture Min, that I could have seen. When Rand slowly started to choke the life out of her, I was sure that she was a goner. I actually was yelling "NOOOOO!" at the book as it described him feeling her life slip away beneath his fingers. But when he reached out and used the True Power...the essence of the Dark One...that was a shock. Rand becoming a sociopath and threatening to kill Cadsuane if he ever saw her face again, and actually believing that he would do it? That was a shock.

It reminds me of the transformation of Darth Vader to the dark side, by exploiting his desire to save the life of a loved one.

I think it was all planned by the Dark One, and played out exactly as he had planned (until the ending that is). That is why Semirhage screamed about being betrayed by the Dark One. She knew that this was his plan, and that she was toast.

And holy crap. Verin. Never has such a chapter provided so many completely jaw dropping surprises.

Egwene: "I've never trusted you."
Verin: "As well you shouldn't. I am Black Ajah after all."

Holy Crap! Verin is Black Ajah! Egwene is screwed!

Then the slowly dawning revelation of the awesomeness that is Verin. There has always been the sense that Verin was up to something. Her "70 year quest". Though it was entirely unclear what exactly that quest was. Verin = mysterious. To finally have the answers, and in such an unexpected fashion.... In one fel swoop, she brought down the entire Black Ajah.

I am dying to know what is in the letter that she left to Mat.

Then there is the White Tower battle with the Seanchan. The viewpoint of the leader of the Green Ajah after she is freed from the collar and sees Egwene in her novice white standing there in a blaze of glory, wreaking destruction upon the enemy with her fingertips. Absolutely incredible imagery.

Some people complained that Mat didn't sound right, and I can kind of understand that, but his chapters were hilarious. The back stories that he handed out for his aborted raid had me ROFL.

Oh, and Gawyn? As I said on another board...I imagined myself appearing infront of Gawyn and ripping him a new one telling him all the things he was being a complete idiot about, ending with "But I know you'll ignore everything I say, because I'm not some super reliable source like some random pedler that you run into on the road."

Now of course we've got to wait anoter year for the next book.


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Does the Spoiler review reveal things about the new book or just past books?

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It reveals critical things about the new book. Don't read if you haven't read. If you have any questions that you want me to answer in a semi-non-spoiler fashon, just ask away.


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Finally got a chance to sit down and put some hours into this book over the past few days.

I was spluttering at the book in Chapter 16, and Chapter 34 has me wracked with hysterical laughing fits.

"Elaborate aliases and backstories. Bloody right I do."

I always liked Talmanes, by the way, but Sanderson has turned him up to 11 on awesome.

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