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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:40 pm 
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...media companies seem to be taking ten steps back.

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No More Free Hulu?

Oh Internet, say it ain’t so!

Hulu - my utopia of free TV online - may soon become another run-of-the-buck paid subscription site (see header image)! (Sigh) It was only a matter of time, really…

Broadcasting & Cable brings us this chilling news, which supposedly originated from the mouth of News Corp. Deputy Chairman Chase Carey, who said during the Onscreen Media Summit that:

“It’s time to start getting paid for broadcast content online…I think a free model is a very difficult way to capture the value of our content. I think what we need to do is deliver that content to consumers in a way where they will appreciate the value. Hulu concurs with that, it needs to evolve to have a meaningful subscription model as part of its business.”

Aw heck, we all knew this day was coming when we’d hear those words spoken about our beloved Hulu - doesn’t it always happen that way with our favorite sites?

However… In my vast Internet experience our favorite sites stop being “our favorite sites” pretty soon after they start asking for membership fees. I know that more than a few of you out there have woken up one day to find your favorite online pop-in spot suddenly requiring you provide them a credit card number, sending you back to the search engine nexus typing in the words “free, streaming…”

…Aaaand I suspect that tradition won’t be changing for the small pool of TV shows and movies that Hulu currently offers. Despite all those clever commercials with celebrities posing as aliens using Hulu to mush our brains, there’s still enough solid cerbral material left in this guy’s skull to determine that Hulu would need to expand its range of content much, much, wider for me to consider buying into the service. I’m talking:

* More popular cable series (even some premium channel shows for “platinum” members who pay extra).
* Every network primetime show of the current season.
* More GOOD movies (Better picks of old films; same-day and direct-to-video releases (at discounted cost); premium channel releases for platinum members).
* Same-day airings of primetime TV shows (with ads, if necessary).
* Bigger TV show archives (for when I go on an Arrested Development or It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia binge).
* Exclusive “first looks” for movie trailers and making of featurettes.
* Music videos and Popular news clips added to the lineup.
* Embed and sharing capabilities on all shows/movies (at least clips).
* Everything in HD.

Now THAT - combined with Hulu’s great interface - would be a service I would pay for.

While I agree with Carey in the sense that it’s time for companies to have a fair shot at pursuing profits in the online market, I do think said companies are still floating archaic ideas about how to convert their “digital dimes” into digi-dollars.

The Internet has always been based on one fundamental principle: Accomplish a lot with little effort. So, if I can have access to a bunch of movies and shows I watch; get sneak peeks on the hottest music videos or movie trailers; keep up with reports on the latest news clips everyone is talking about; spend my rainy weekends marathoning through old favorites; see everything in crisp HD and share it all with my friends… Why not fork out a reasonable fee to accomplish all that?

Try selling me Hulu as it stands now, and I’m going to tell you the names of all the TV network sites where you can watch the same shows for free (hint: just throw a “.com” behind the name of your favorite network) - or maybe the names of sites that will stream old movie favorites, legally, for free. Basically, I’m going to tell you that I really don’t need Hulu all that much after all…

What about you - is Hulu something you’d pay to keep? Or does the notion of shelling out for it make you say “Thanks but no thanks!”

Good going, News Corp./Fox; screw you and every media outlet you have a hand in, Murdoch.

Seriously, even as someone who makes his living based on advertising dollars from TV content, I think this is a bad idea. You can't just say "well, we're not making as much money as we want to make" and expect the end-user to pick up the slack. This is not their problem; you only exist because of their patronage. What you have to do is A) come up with more compelling content, and B) come up with a better revenue model on the provider side, not the end-user side.

And after cutting down content to pile nearly thirty minutes of commercials into each hour, refusing to acknowledge viewership trends and genre/demographic correlations, and still playing hardball with digital distribution, they wonder why piracy is a more attractive alternative to so many people? I neither support piracy, nor do I think that pirates make of a difference (the masses of people who actually matter simply don't watch the shows, rather than opting to try to hunt down torrents and spend the time/effort downloading), but seriously...you're shooting yourself in the foot, media outlets. It's already a lesser experience to watch TV shows on the computer, easy as it may be; don't make it more unattractive than it already is.


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I was in the Hulu beta and I have to say I'm surprised to see it have a decline even faster than its growth.

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I'm not really sure how a paid Hulu subscription would differ from the "Watch Instantly" feature of my Netflix subscription, except perhaps in the range of available content. Honestly, though, I have some serious doubts as to whether or not I'd be at all interested in stacking an additional subscription service, regardless of the content that would be thus made available. And I would most certainly expect that the current availability limitations be removed. For example, I can only watch S1.Ep1-5 of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles or S1.Ep11-12;S2.Ep1-3 of Dollhouse. I'm not interested in paying for 5 episodes of available programming. It just wouldn't be worth the money.

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Seriously? WTF?

If they go to a subscription based service, **** "have all the episodes of the current season" -- try "have all the episodes, period."

I mean, ****. Subscription-based, and you're competing with Netflix, now, people. You have to have some serious **** on offering.

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GOOMH :P

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Before everyone freaks out, they came out today and clarified a bit saying some stuff will be behind a pay wall, not everything. Most stuff that's free now will remain free. They are trying to figure out what they can put behind a pay wall that would be worth it for consumers.

That doesn't mean they still won't screw it all up, but let's wait and see what happens.


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Jhorra wrote:
Before everyone freaks out, they came out today and clarified a bit saying some stuff will be behind a pay wall, not everything. Most stuff that's free now will remain free. They are trying to figure out what they can put behind a pay wall that would be worth it for consumers.

That doesn't mean they still won't screw it all up, but let's wait and see what happens.

That's a little better. I could definitely see keeping the most recent 3 episodes on a 1 week delay free, and throwing up the latest as soon as it finishes airing on the West Coast and keeping the entire back catalogue of the series up behind the subscription wall. In conjunction with building up a more robust and day-of-release movie offering, that could be worthwhile and viably compete with Netflix et al.

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Thanks for the update, Jhorra :)

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I'm not a hulu person. I still have cable and my DVR. Mainly because I can't use hulu and dink on the computer at the same time like I can with my dvr. Also it's hard to see my monitor from the couch.

I missed the 2nd episode of SGU and ended up getting it from amazon (I had credit) rather than using hulu. Mainly because i was hoping i'd be able to shift it to dvd because of the previously mentioned reasons.

If there's money to be made they'll make it. If not they'll go the way of IGN, or ezboards, or take your pick.

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I am very unfamiliar with hulu... But if you want to watch TV over the internet: why not just buy a slingbox?

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Internet media can't continue to be free. I saw someone comment about the demise of geocities citing it as the first example of extremely popular services that never made money.

It's not lost on me that part of what makes hulu popular is the freeness, but the only way the rights owners will continue to sign over their property for distribution like this is if there is money to be made...


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I'm not advocating the companies behind Hulu run the site out of the goodness of their hearts (as this is a group including News Corp., I'm going to assume they don't have hearts...or brains, for that matter).

What I am saying is that they're going to have to find a new business model, one that doesn't rely on the consumer to fill in the gap between "what we're making" and "what we want to make." Because the consumer, in turn, will tell them to eat **** and die, turning back to torrents or whatever their illegal, non-profit-generating-but-easier-for-the-end-user method of watching these shows was before.

Hulu is already heavily ad-supported; they're not giving this stuff away for free, even now. Expand on that, be creative (not a comfortable suggestion for suits), and most importantly, don't make it a hassle for the consumer. Those are the tenants they're going to have to adhere to if they want to make money off of TV-on-internet; indeed, that statement could easily be expanded to "if they want to make money in the future."


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Just expand commercial slots. One commercial per 10 minutes is not very much as it is. Increase to two commercials per 10 minutes, and bam, revenues double.


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Ive been using unbox (amazon.com) to watch full seasons of commercial free television series (eureka and warehouse13 so far) at about $1.25 an episode, and love it.

I can get full season for less than the price of a trip to the movies, and I see them just about as soon as they are released, and in HD.

And all of thi using the convenience of my Roku video box (the same box I use for Netflix and to watch MLB TV games).

I'm about THIS >< CLOSE to cancelling cable (roughly $80 a month) and going strictly streaming.


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It's not like this will in any way force people to pay for watching the same shows. Hulu will just manage to get rid of the only revenue it had as people start downloading from other sources.

Everything is already free for the viewer, and always will be. The only question is whether the media companies will choose to profit from this, or keep fighting against it.

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I much prefer streaming using Netflix and my XBox. I just wish they would stream more new episodes on Netflix.


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I stream downloaded media from the PC they're on to my PS3.

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Which works great as long as you aren't trying to stream .mkv video over a wireless network.

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actually that works fine, too, for any standard 720p cable broadcast quality MKV file... except the PS3 can't read .MKV files.

Fortunately that's where MKV2VOB comes in.

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Midgen wrote:
I'm about THIS >< CLOSE to cancelling cable (roughly $80 a month) and going strictly streaming.


I have a strong desire to do that.

I have a roommate though. :P

/looks away from Kaffis

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You live w/ Kaffis? Man, when he gets married, it's gonna be all You, Me and Dupri.

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Rafael wrote:
You live w/ Kaffis? Man, when he gets married, it's gonna be all You, Me and Dupri.


I suppose technically, he lives with me, as I own the house and he pays me rentses, precious.

As for the latter issue, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

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Stock up on Splenda nad Bac-Os.

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Talya wrote:
actually that works fine, too, for any standard 720p cable broadcast quality MKV file... except the PS3 can't read .MKV files.

Fortunately that's where MKV2VOB comes in.


PS3 Media Server is the best streaming application I've found. It will transcode mkv files on the fly, also. However, the problem over wireless is not due to the fact that the files themselves are mkv. It has to do with the fact that the people encoding what I watch in mkv format, use a codec that increases required bandwidth substantially.


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Ack! Oh, PS3 Media Server, where have you been all my life?!


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