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Why PotC4 could be far better than the first three.
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Author:  Talya [ Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:23 pm ]
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I liked the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, including Dead Man's Chest and At World's End. The Curse of the Black Pearl was truly spectacular, and far outshone its next two sequels, but they were still fun movies in their own right. Still, at their heart, these were contrived stories. The first had a bit more leeway, "Let's make a movie based on an amusement park ride," and since pirate stories are great fun to start with, and they hired competent people to do the writing, directing, and acting, it all worked very well. The second and third felt a bit more forced, as if they were struggling to find a way to capitalize on the success of the first movie, despite having killed what was essentially half of its soul (Captain Barbossa) and needing to find a way to retrieve him. They were still largely successful at capturing the spirit of the first movie, even if the plot was at times too complex and strained, and the movies worked.

PotC4: On Stranger Tides is a completely different beast. Gone is the baggage of Wil Turner and Elizabeth Swan. Their tale is told. We're left with, well, the actual pirates. So now we need a new plot. But Disney planned ahead. In April 2007, Disney bought the rights to Tim Powers' acclaimed novel On Stranger Tides, about a young man who falls in with pirates in a race to find the fabled Fountain of Youth. Disney saw the potential, and has merely adapted Jack Sparrow as the protagonist, replacing some characters with those from previous films, and keeping others from the book intact. So now we have a movie following a good story and pre-written plot, rather than attempting to write a screenplay for an existing setting or idea.

Not every movie made from a good (or even great) book ends up being a good movie. Some books don't adapt well to the big screen, so its entirey possible Captain Jack Sparrow and Captain Hector Barbossa won't be nearly as engaging this time around. But somehow this feels better -- rather than a rushed attempt to cash in on a good idea, they've used an established quality story. The director is new, too. While Gore Verbinski certainly brought enthusiasm and charm to the first movies, Rob Marshall, while not being the most experienced of directors, has a total of 23 academy award nominations, with 9 of them resulting in oscars, for the only three feature films he's made. (Chicago, Memoires of a Geisha, and Nine.)

This movie has every reason to be great. If it fails, it's not for lack of opportunity.
Author:  Darkroland [ Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:20 pm ]
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Ok fine, you've gotten me excited now. (If I had just seen a preview, after sitting through PotC3 in the theater, I would have dismissed it immediately).

Is it releasing next summer?
Author:  Rorinthas [ Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:29 pm ]
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I read the blurb in USA Today. I think we have to see this as a second epoch and not as a trying to milk a franchise without paying for the expensive talent movie.

Sadly they are shooting it in 3D so it has one strike against it already.
Author:  Raltar [ Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:18 pm ]
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I don't mind 3d as long as they don't add it in after the movie is finished as some kind of gimmick. Filming the movie with 3d in mind the entire time is perfectly fine to me.

That being said, I am looking forward to a Wil and Elizabethless movie. Because really...their story ended with the first movie.
Author:  Jhorra [ Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:31 am ]
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Here's a picture just released from the new movie. Are you sure you're free from them?

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Author:  Raltar [ Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:37 am ]
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I don't think that's her. Must be the new eye candy.
Author:  Jhorra [ Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:52 am ]
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It sure looks like her.
Author:  Raltar [ Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:56 am ]
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The IMDB page doesn't mention her at all, aside from the FAQ asking in Wil or Elizabeth will be in it(says their stories are finished and are no longer needed). Of course it isn't official or anything.
Author:  Talya [ Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:08 am ]
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Penelope Cruz
Author:  Müs [ Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:48 pm ]
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Mmmm pirate chicks
Author:  Gilraen [ Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:24 pm ]
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I love the novel On Stranger Tides. Just read it again when I heard Disney optioned it for the next PotC movie. The journey to the Fountain of Youth alone was worth the price of the book. I wonder how much of the book they'll be able to keep in the movie.
Author:  Talya [ Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:25 am ]
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Author:  Uinan [ Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:59 am ]
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That looks fantastic.
Author:  Numbuk [ Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:44 pm ]
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Interesting. I guess they really are trying to move away from the strong implications that Blackbeard was Jack Sparrow's father (a notion I rather liked). "Edward Teague" is eerily similar to "Edward Teach" which is Blackbeards name. And if you look at Teague's flag in the third movie, it's Blackbeard's flag, just mirrored of itself.


It's like it was planned to have him be Blackbeard, but they had to make quick changes in post.
Author:  Talya [ Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:41 pm ]
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Author:  Numbuk [ Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:19 am ]
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The fact that Legolas and Keira Knightly aren't prominent characters, if they're in it at all, already gives this movie a much higher chance of me watching and enjoying it.
Author:  Hopwin [ Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:35 am ]
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Jhorra wrote:
Here's a picture just released from the new movie. Are you sure you're free from them?

Image

Wow so that's what they did with the stockpile of leftover makeup after Bozo died... Good lord I haven't seen faces so painted since the blue man group passed through town.
Author:  shuyung [ Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:50 am ]
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That's not Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightly, that's Johnny Depp and Penelope Cruz.
Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:09 pm ]
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Apparently, Penelope Cruz can't get any sun in the Caribbean.
Author:  Hopwin [ Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:24 pm ]
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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Apparently, Penelope Cruz can't get any sun in the Caribbean.

Maybe she's a zombie-pirate? Regardless I'll have to double-tap that just to be sure.
Author:  Screeling [ Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:56 pm ]
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Hopwin wrote:
Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Apparently, Penelope Cruz can't get any sun in the Caribbean.

Maybe she's a zombie-pirate? Regardless I'll have to double-tap that just to be sure.

Yeah, don't be stingy with your ammo. Don't forget the cardio, too.
Author:  Talya [ Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:25 pm ]
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Hopwin wrote:
Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Apparently, Penelope Cruz can't get any sun in the Caribbean.

Maybe she's a zombie-pirate? Regardless I'll have to double-tap that just to be sure.


First movie had the undead pirates. I don't think they're revisiting that plot. Go back and play Monkey Island if you need more zombie pirates.
Author:  Müs [ Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:48 pm ]
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I know I'd double tap it ;)

hur hur hur ;)
Author:  Talya [ Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:21 pm ]
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Numbuk wrote:
The fact that Legolas and Keira Knightly aren't prominent characters, if they're in it at all, already gives this movie a much higher chance of me watching and enjoying it.


While I agree that the story of Captain Will Turner of the Fying Dutchman and Captain Elizabeth Swan, King of the Brethren Court is finished, and like that they are headed in a new direction with the 4th movie, I really ended up liking At World's End. It was quite epic.

Author:  Nevandal [ Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:07 pm ]
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Hopwin wrote:
Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Apparently, Penelope Cruz can't get any sun in the Caribbean.

Maybe she's a zombie-pirate? Regardless I'll have to double-tap that just to be sure.




I'd double tap it...
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