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Author:  Aethien [ Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:26 pm ]
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OK, this has been out for a week, right? Kinda surprised to see no comments here. I've heard it wasn't everything I expected, need someone to confirm that for me! We don't get out to see that many movies, have to make some hard decisions sometimes. Like, between this and "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" movie.

Author:  Micheal [ Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:06 pm ]
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Haven't seen it yet, though most of my friends who have seen it said it was a lot better than what they were expecting.

Author:  Shelgeyr [ Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:41 pm ]
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Haven't seen it yet, but am very much looking forward to it.

Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Sun Aug 07, 2011 7:43 pm ]
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Before I went to see it, I noticed that several Rotten Tomatoes reviews were panning it for accomplishing neither Sci-Fi nor Western well.

I disagree. I got what I was expecting. It was a passable Western with pretty darn good Sci-Fi effects. I got what it sold me -- Cowboys, and Aliens -- so I have no complaints.

I suppose maybe the critics who weren't satisfied might have been expecting some kind of magnum opus of Favreau, Ford, and Craig... but, come on. Ford's been a summer action hero for decades, first and foremost. Craig's best works are still popcorn movie action flicks, even if you look to stuff more obscure than Bond. And Favreau made the real splash of his directing career not on Swingers but on Iron Man.

Whether it's better than Rise of the Most Awkward Movie Title of the Year, I couldn't tell you, as I haven't seen it.

Author:  FarSky [ Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:15 pm ]
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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Whether it's better than Rise of the Most Awkward Movie Title of the Year of the Apes, I couldn't tell you, as I haven't seen it.

FTFY.

Author:  Aethien [ Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:17 pm ]
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Heh, thanks, Kaffis. That kind of makes sense. I've never expected a magnum of any kind out of Ford after about, oh, 1977. Except for the shooting kind.

Author:  Aizle [ Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:06 pm ]
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Saw it, and as Kaffis said, enjoyed it.

It's what you get. Cowboys and Aliens. Not a ton of plot, but some good character acting from Daniel and Harrison. Plenty of action, with little downtime.

Good popcorn flick.

Author:  Wwen [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:32 am ]
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I think we all need to stop settling for less. YMMV. IMO, "I got what I expected" isn't as good a defense as I once thought it was. I'm beginning to think I'm just setting the bar lower if I keep my expectations low.

Author:  Lex Luthor [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:40 am ]
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Saw it, really liked it.

Author:  Vindicarre [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:58 am ]
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FarSky wrote:
Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Whether it's better than Rise of the Most Awkward Movie Title of the Year of the Apes, I couldn't tell you, as I haven't seen it.

FTFY.


I've seen other people comment disparagingly on the title; I'm wondering what all the fuss is about. It's not like it's out of the ordinary for the franchise.

Author:  Taskiss [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:59 am ]
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Wwen wrote:
I think we all need to stop settling for less. YMMV. IMO, "I got what I expected" isn't as good a defense as I once thought it was. I'm beginning to think I'm just setting the bar lower if I keep my expectations low.

Science fiction is a difficult genre to exceede expectations for, more than any other, in my opinion.

Author:  Darkroland [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:11 am ]
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I enjoyed it. I doubt it will stand any test of time, but it was fun.

Author:  Lex Luthor [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:56 am ]
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It wasn't an Oscar award worthy movie, by any fair judgement. But it was really fun to watch and kept me entertained. The characters were badass and decently acted. I really liked the dynamics between the different factions, and how they eventually had to work together. I'd see it again (not in theater).

Author:  Shelgeyr [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:14 am ]
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Wwen wrote:
I think we all need to stop settling for less. YMMV. IMO, "I got what I expected" isn't as good a defense as I once thought it was. I'm beginning to think I'm just setting the bar lower if I keep my expectations low.
Raising the bar means either pre-judging every movie and skipping most of them, or spending a lot of time being disappointed because yet another movie failed to meet your standards.

Author:  FarSky [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:29 am ]
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This is something I've said for a long time. From an AICN review of Green Lantern:

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If there was even an outside chance of you caring about this movie based on your already established love of the comic book source material or even just the progressively more interesting trailers that have been released over the last few months, then you've already likely read a half-dozen or more reviews of this film that have warned you to stay far, far away from GREEN LANTERN. I have not read any reviews of this film, but I've seen the headlines, so I'm aware of somewhat-justified piling on this film has received. But let me warn you about some terminology that you may stumble upon variation of while reading any positive reaction to this film.

"It's not perfect." No ****. Here's a newsflash: no film is perfect. This is an empty statement that critics and people use to mean "This movie is equal to or less than 50 percent ****."

"It good for what it is." Wait a second. If the movie is ****, are you saying it's good ****? In certain circles, this may be considered the ultimate slam on any movie. What I think this also empty statement is that the film isn't designated High Art, so it should be given a pass for its shortcomings on elements like plot and character development. My response: Bullshit. Every movie should strive to be great, and just because a film is designated a summer blockbuster or somehow feeding into the pop culture doesn't mean it gets to skate by in areas that wouldn't have cost any extra money to get right.

"I didn't hate it." Gee, aren't you generous. Guess what folks, you aren't supposed to hate it. This statement is not a compliment. The mission of the filmmakers was not to construct a movie that you didn't hate. You either liked it or you didn't. This statement reminds me of another favorite, "My expectations were low, therefore [something positive]." Again, not really a rousing endorsement. Just because a film met or didn't meet your expectations isn't really a gauge of its quality. Ideally, you walk into every film with neutral expectations (which is not the same as no expectations); let the film guide you through its good and bad moments on its own merits. I realize we all bring a certain level of expectational baggage into every film, but at least allow a movie to be something different than what you thought. Just because a movie is different from what you thought it would be doesn't mean it's bad; it's just unexpected, which is often quite fun.

Author:  Numbuk [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:51 am ]
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Saw it last week. I enjoyed it. It even kind of pokes fun at itself when the audience learns why the aliens are there in the first place (Harrison Ford's line immediately following, to be precise).

It's got good western bits. It's got sci-fi explosions. It's got Olivia Wilde. It's got Harrison Ford in a role I've enjoyed him in, something I've not seen for at least 10 years. Not sure what more anyone would require.

As compared to Rise of the Apes? Eh.... I really enjoyed Apes too. But I'd likely re-watch Cowboys long before I re-watched Apes.

Author:  FarSky [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:23 am ]
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Vindicarre wrote:
FarSky wrote:
Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Whether it's better than Rise of the Most Awkward Movie Title of the Year of the Apes, I couldn't tell you, as I haven't seen it.

FTFY.


I've seen other people comment disparagingly on the title; I'm wondering what all the fuss is about. It's not like it's out of the ordinary for the franchise.

Yeah, but particularly as a reboot, wouldn't Rise of the Apes be much better? It's not like a ton of things use the "of the Apes" suffix for confusion. :)

Author:  Vindicarre [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:54 am ]
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You speak truth Mr. Sky. I wonder if they were trying to continue with the naming convention - to the detriment of all.

Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:07 am ]
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Vindicarre wrote:
FarSky wrote:
Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Whether it's better than Rise of the Most Awkward Movie Title of the Year of the Apes, I couldn't tell you, as I haven't seen it.

FTFY.


I've seen other people comment disparagingly on the title; I'm wondering what all the fuss is about. It's not like it's out of the ordinary for the franchise.

Let's put it this way: when more than half of your title's words are "of the", you're doing it wrong. Exemptions get made for titles that only fail this test because of a leading "The."

Author:  Numbuk [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:50 am ]
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From what I understand, the movie was going to originally be called "Caesar" but then they were forced to change it. So they called it "Rise of the Apes." But then they wanted to make sure they drew in the nostalgic crowd and that there were no misconceptions. So a final name change was mandated.

Author:  FarSky [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:16 am ]
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Numbuk wrote:
From what I understand, the movie was going to originally be called "Caesar" but then they were forced to change it. So they called it "Rise of the Apes." But then they wanted to make sure they drew in the nostalgic crowd and that there were no misconceptions. So a final name change was mandated stupid.

FTFY. Stupid Fox.

Author:  Talya [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:40 am ]
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FarSky wrote:
This is something I've said for a long time. From an AICN review of Green Lantern:

Quote:
If there was even an outside chance of you caring about this movie based on your already established love of the comic book source material or even just the progressively more interesting trailers that have been released over the last few months, then you've already likely read a half-dozen or more reviews of this film that have warned you to stay far, far away from GREEN LANTERN. I have not read any reviews of this film, but I've seen the headlines, so I'm aware of somewhat-justified piling on this film has received. But let me warn you about some terminology that you may stumble upon variation of while reading any positive reaction to this film.

"It's not perfect." No ****. Here's a newsflash: no film is perfect. This is an empty statement that critics and people use to mean "This movie is equal to or less than 50 percent ****."

"It good for what it is." Wait a second. If the movie is ****, are you saying it's good ****? In certain circles, this may be considered the ultimate slam on any movie. What I think this also empty statement is that the film isn't designated High Art, so it should be given a pass for its shortcomings on elements like plot and character development. My response: Bullshit. Every movie should strive to be great, and just because a film is designated a summer blockbuster or somehow feeding into the pop culture doesn't mean it gets to skate by in areas that wouldn't have cost any extra money to get right.

"I didn't hate it." Gee, aren't you generous. Guess what folks, you aren't supposed to hate it. This statement is not a compliment. The mission of the filmmakers was not to construct a movie that you didn't hate. You either liked it or you didn't. This statement reminds me of another favorite, "My expectations were low, therefore [something positive]." Again, not really a rousing endorsement. Just because a film met or didn't meet your expectations isn't really a gauge of its quality. Ideally, you walk into every film with neutral expectations (which is not the same as no expectations); let the film guide you through its good and bad moments on its own merits. I realize we all bring a certain level of expectational baggage into every film, but at least allow a movie to be something different than what you thought. Just because a movie is different from what you thought it would be doesn't mean it's bad; it's just unexpected, which is often quite fun.


The problem with this, is the Green Lantern movie was exactly what I wanted out of a Green Lantern movie, and very enjoyable. The critics just missed the point.

Author:  Vindicarre [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:34 pm ]
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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Let's put it this way: when more than half of your title's words are "of the", you're doing it wrong. Exemptions get made for titles that only fail this test because of a leading "The."


See, that's what I don't understand. They used the naming convention that the franchise created in the first place.

Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:05 pm ]
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Hey, I never suggested the others in the series were any better.

Author:  Vindicarre [ Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:13 pm ]
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Heheh, touché.

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