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| Author: | FarSky [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Superhero Movies |
We were actually having this discussion on my FB page, but I thought I'd port it over here. As we were discussing this before, I thought I'd throw out my thoughts on the crop of superhero films we've gotten since their 'renaissance' with Blade back in 1998. According to Wikipedia, here's the list, and I've thrown them into my own rankings. To keep things simple, I've restricted the list to A) superhero films (no Road to Perdition, 300, etc.), B) based on pre-existing comic book properties (i.e. no Incredibles), C) live-action films (no Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, Doctor Strange, Superman: Doomsday, et. al.). I've broken them into five distinct rankings: films I would consider great, regardless of genre (5 stars), great superhero films (4 stars), good superhero films (3 stars), mediocre films (2 stars), and utter garbage (1 star). Great film (5 stars) Blade (1998) Blade II (2002) Hellboy (2004) Spider-Man 2 (2004) Batman Begins (2005) Iron Man (2008) Hellboy II: The Golden Army (2008) The Dark Knight (2008) Watchmen (2009) (qualified as director’s cut) Captain America: The First Avenger (2011) Great superhero film (4 stars) Spider-Man (2002) X2: X-Men United (2003) Thor (2011) X-Men: First Class (2011) Good (3 stars) X-Men (2000) Daredevil (2003) The Incredible Hulk (2008) Kick-Ass (2010) Mediocre (2 stars) Hulk (2003) The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (2003) Elektra (2005) Spider-Man 3 (2007) The Spirit (2008) Iron Man 2 (2010) Utter trash (1 star) Catwoman (2004) Blade: Trinity (2004) Fantastic Four (2005) X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) Superman Returns (2006) Ghost Rider (2007) Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) Jonah Hex (2010) Green Lantern (2011) Not seen Mystery Men (1999) The Punisher (2004) Punisher: War Zone (2008) |
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| Author: | Khross [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Superhero Movies |
Great film Watchmen (2009) (qualified as director’s cut) Superhero Films of Which Lord Doom Approves Green Lantern (2011) Blade (1998) Blade II (2002) Hellboy (2004) Spider-Man 2 (2004) Batman Begins (2005) Iron Man (2008) Hellboy II: The Golden Army (2008) The Dark Knight (2008) Captain America: The First Avenger (2011) Spider-Man (2002) X2: X-Men United (2003) Thor (2011) X-Men: First Class (2011) X-Men (2000) Daredevil (2003) The Incredible Hulk (2008) Kick-Ass (2010) Hulk (2003) The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (2003) Elektra (2005) Spider-Man 3 (2007) The Spirit (2008) Iron Man 2 (2010) Utter trash (1 star) Catwoman (2004) Blade: Trinity (2004) Fantastic Four (2005) X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) Superman Returns (2006) Ghost Rider (2007) Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) Jonah Hex (2010) |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:59 pm ] |
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I"m not sure you can put the Hellboy and Blade second movies in the same category with their originals without doing a disservice to said originals. Also what's the beef with fantastic four? |
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| Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:36 pm ] |
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You don't do an origin story for the Fantastic Four. There's exactly zero point in it. You do an origin narration/montage while you roll the opening credits. |
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| Author: | FarSky [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:42 pm ] |
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Rorinthas wrote: I"m not sure you can put the Hellboy and Blade second movies in the same category with their originals without doing a disservice to said originals. Also what's the beef with fantastic four? I prefer the sequels to each, easily, to be honest (Hellboy and Blade), but the originals stand as excellent films in their own right. As for FF, jokey tone, poor acting, hideous mishandling of the characters, lack of story (not to be confused with 'too much Story,' which is the root of their problems)...the entirety of both films is just a mess, IMO. |
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| Author: | Numbuk [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Superhero Movies |
Are we talking about Daredevil, or Daredevil: The Director's Cut? Extreme night and day differences there. |
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| Author: | FarSky [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Superhero Movies |
Numbuk wrote: Are we talking about Daredevil, or Daredevil: The Director's Cut? Extreme night and day differences there. Not particularly...the theatrical cut was quite solid to me. The DC is better, but it doesn't jump it a full grade to me like the Watchmen director's cut did. |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:46 pm ] |
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What was different about the Watchmen director's cut? I watched both, but there was enough of a gap between them that I couldn't really spot what had changed. |
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| Author: | FarSky [ Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Superhero Movies |
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ ... ws/?a=8360 It's the additional Holland Manners scenes that give it the heart and soul I feel it lacked in the theatrical cut. |
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| Author: | Uncle Fester [ Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Superhero Movies |
You rank the first blade that highly? I feel I am missing something, maybe my brain could not get over the plot "I will turn the world into vampires!" no one called him on the stupidity of that plot? |
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| Author: | Dash [ Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Superhero Movies |
Iron Man and X-Men: First class each go down at least a notch for me. I'd say Iron Man was a very good superhero flick, although the end fight was ultimately disappointing for me. XM:FC was decidedly average but for the little bit of Magneto hunting Nazis which I really liked. Thor might be down to 3 or 3.5 stars too. Good but not great. |
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| Author: | Uncle Fester [ Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:30 am ] |
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I would disagree on dropping Thor, granted I am very biased. Doing any kind of interesting movie for characters of that power level is challenging I think, and they pulled it off well. The quick/clunky character development is where the movie gets a negative |
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| Author: | Uinan [ Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:56 pm ] |
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I would slide Hellboy 2 & Blade 2 down a tier, and push X-men first class & Thor up to 5 stars. Everything else seems to reasonably match my own preferences. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Superhero Movies |
Uncle Fester wrote: You rank the first blade that highly? I feel I am missing something, maybe my brain could not get over the plot "I will turn the world into vampires!" no one called him on the stupidity of that plot? We like to talk big, vampires do. "I'm going to destroy the world." That's just tough-guy talk. Strutting around with your friends over a pint of blood. The truth is, I like this world. You've got dog racing, Manchester United, and you've got people; billions of people walking around like Happy Meals with legs. It's all right here. But then someone comes along with a vision, with a real passion for destruction. Angel could pull it off. Good-bye, Picadilly. Farewell, Leicester-bloody-Square. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Superhero Movies |
My ratings: Batman Begins (2005) ***** Blade (1998) ** Blade II (2002) ** Blade: Trinity (2004) * Captain America: The First Avenger (2011) ***** Catwoman (2004) - did not see Daredevil (2003) ** Dark Knight, The (2008) ***** Elektra (2005) * Fantastic Four (2005) * Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) * Ghost Rider (2007) - did not see Green Lantern (2011) *** Hellboy (2004) ** Hellboy II: The Golden Army (2008) ** Hulk (2003) * Incredible Hulk, The (2008) ***** Iron Man (2008) ***** Iron Man 2 (2010) *** Jonah Hex (2010) - did not see Kick-Ass (2010) *** League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, The (2003) * Mystery Men (1999) **** Punisher, The (2004) - did not see Punisher: War Zone (2008) - did not see Spider-Man (2002) **** Spider-Man 2 (2004) ** Spider-Man 3 (2007) * Spirit, The (2008) - did not see Superman Returns (2006) *** Thor (2011) **** Watchmen (2009) (qualified as director’s cut) ** (I didn't much like the comic, either) X-Men (2000) *** X-Men: First Class (2011) *** X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) * X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) * X2: X-Men United (2003) **** |
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| Author: | Midgen [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:57 pm ] |
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Oh man, at first glance I though you had them in order of preference! 0.o |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:00 pm ] |
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Midgen wrote: Oh man, at first glance I though you had them in order of preference! 0.o Ha. No. I have some significant differences from FarSky's list. While FarSky and I have some similar tastes in movies, there are areas where we disagree terribly. For instance, I don't see the appeal of the Blade or Hellboy movies. However, I moderately enjoyed Superman Returns and Green Lantern. |
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| Author: | Dash [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Superhero Movies |
Talya wrote: My ratings: Blade (1998) ** Blade II (2002) ** What? This is unacceptable. Revise your opinions. Immediately. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Superhero Movies |
Dash wrote: Talya wrote: My ratings: Blade (1998) ** Blade II (2002) ** What? This is unacceptable. Revise your opinions. Immediately. One star seems a little low. They weren't painfully bad, just uninteresting. Edit: I once described them as "plotless blood spatter patterns set to rave music." Plus they had Kris Kristofferson in them. That is rarely a good sign. |
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| Author: | Wwen [ Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Superhero Movies |
Uncle Fester wrote: You rank the first blade that highly? I feel I am missing something, maybe my brain could not get over the plot "I will turn the world into vampires!" no one called him on the stupidity of that plot? It's a very fun action movie. |
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| Author: | Numbuk [ Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Superhero Movies |
Wwen wrote: Uncle Fester wrote: You rank the first blade that highly? I feel I am missing something, maybe my brain could not get over the plot "I will turn the world into vampires!" no one called him on the stupidity of that plot? It's a very fun action movie. I too liked it more than the other Blade movies (Blade doing a suplex on a bad guy a-la Wrestlemania in Blade II? Yeah, ok). Plus it had Traci Lords and introduced me to New Order's remixed Confusion (Pump Panel Reconstruction Mix). Not bad things. |
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| Author: | Raltar [ Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:54 pm ] |
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I personally like Blade 2 more than Blade, but they are really different types of movies in my mind. Much like Alien and Aliens. |
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