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These texts are not science fiction.

1984
Brave New World
The Handmaid's Tale
A Clockwork Orange
Cat's Cradle
Slaughterhouse 5
The Road

These texts are not fantasy.

Frankenstein
"Something Wicked This Way Comes"
Stardust
American Gods
Neverwhere
Watership Down
The Sandman Series
The Watchmen

Hmmms, I just passed the 10% mark. And, whoever compiled the list that became the poster obviously hates Neil Gaiman.

Brave New World could be considered SciFi as there are manufactured people in the future. I'd call Stardust fantasy, and American Gods and Neverwhere fantasyish.

How does he hate Gaiman?

... "Modern Fantasy" ...

Müs wrote:

... "Modern Fantasy" ...

Modern Fantasy = Tolkein. I think you mean "Contemporary Fantasy" ?

Khross:

What do you call Watership Down if it isn't fantasy? It's a great book, and I don't think fantasy fits well either but can't think of what to label it.

Lex Luthor wrote:

Khross:

What do you call Watership Down if it isn't fantasy? It's a great book, and I don't think fantasy fits well either but can't think of what to label it.

It's a fairy tale amusingly.

Khross wrote:

Lex Luthor wrote:

Khross:

What do you call Watership Down if it isn't fantasy? It's a great book, and I don't think fantasy fits well either but can't think of what to label it.

It's a fairy tale amusingly.

That's interesting because the characters in the novel tell fairy tales, in fact fairly detailed and lengthy ones.

Author:	Odom Leah [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:32 am ]
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Author:	bale [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:02 am ]
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"enjoy stories about orphaned farmboys? tough" lol interesting chart, I saw a quite a few books/series that I used to read. I may have to pick up a few books from that chart for leisure reading thanks for sharing

Author:	Khross [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:17 am ]
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These texts are not science fiction. 1984 Brave New World The Handmaid's Tale A Clockwork Orange Cat's Cradle Slaughterhouse 5 The Road These texts are not fantasy. Frankenstein "Something Wicked This Way Comes" Stardust American Gods Neverwhere Watership Down The Sandman Series The Watchmen Hmmms, I just passed the 10% mark. And, whoever compiled the list that became the poster obviously hates Neil Gaiman.

Author:	Talya [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:56 am ]
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Anne McCaffrey's Pern series is an odd sort of Sci-Fi, not Fantasy. But that's an easy mistake for someone to make. Anyway, interactive version of that flowchart here.

Author:	TheRiov [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:15 am ]
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http://www.npr.org/2011/08/11/139085843 ... tasy-books Direct link. Read 47/100 of that list. And I feel bad for not having read at least 20 more.

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Author:	Müs [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:27 am ]
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Khross wrote: These texts are not science fiction. 1984 Brave New World The Handmaid's Tale A Clockwork Orange Cat's Cradle Slaughterhouse 5 The Road These texts are not fantasy. Frankenstein "Something Wicked This Way Comes" Stardust American Gods Neverwhere Watership Down The Sandman Series The Watchmen Hmmms, I just passed the 10% mark. And, whoever compiled the list that became the poster obviously hates Neil Gaiman. Brave New World could be considered SciFi as there are manufactured people in the future. I'd call Stardust fantasy, and American Gods and Neverwhere fantasyish. How does he hate Gaiman? In any event, Gaiman, Pratchett, Stephenson, Martin, Niven and Rothfuss are all on my list of favorite authors. I maybe would have suggested "Guards! Guards!" as a starting place for Pratcett, but eh. I also quite enjoyed "Lucifer's Hammer" on that list. "Snow Crash" was fun, and "The Name of the Wind" was also quite enjoyable.

Author:	Khross [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:38 am ]
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Müs wrote: Brave New World could be considered SciFi as there are manufactured people in the future. I'd call Stardust fantasy, and American Gods and Neverwhere fantasyish. Brave New World is a dystopian novel; consequently, it's little more than a folktale and was little more than a folktale when it was written. That's not say it's bad or useless, but it's decidedly not science fiction. Müs wrote: How does he hate Gaiman? Because Gaiman writes Gothic Romances for the most part. Vastly more similarities exist between Walpole and Gaiman than exist between Tolkein and Gaiman.

Author:	Müs [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:41 am ]
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Well, if one were to be a pedant about it... I've never engaged in Walpoling activities so I couldn't speak to that. Is there not room for "Modern Fantasy" in the Dewey Decimal System?

Author:	Khross [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:49 am ]
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Müs wrote: ... "Modern Fantasy" ... Modern Fantasy = Tolkein. I think you mean "Contemporary Fantasy" ?

Author:	Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:52 am ]
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This list still lacks The Stars My Destination. Therefore, it still fails at being a top anything of Science Fiction.

Author:	TheRiov [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:53 am ]
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How are you defining Science Fiction, Khross? The problem comes when you try to use the label Science Fiction to define several aspects of a story. Science Fiction could refer to any or all of the following: Setting How rigidly it follows known scientific principle Theme While I agree Brave New World thematically is far more dystopian than say, Red/Blue/Green Mars, and the trappings of future technology are few and far between, there is still some speculative technology there. (some sort of flyer iirc, and pacification projectiles of some sort) But I don't disagree that hanging on to that list by its fingernails. Clockwork Orange and 1984 both have similar problems. I think some people probably included them on the list, mostly because they took place 'in the future' when they were written. FYI these novels were nominated by the general population and then voted on--the selection team then pruned anything of the 'young adult' and 'horror' genre. Perhaps they should have pruned the dystopian stuff. Still, one might consider these still in the sci-fi category, as thematically they do explore the consequences of technology. That much at least, is very sci-fi.

Author:	Müs [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:55 am ]
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Khross wrote: Müs wrote: ... "Modern Fantasy" ... Modern Fantasy = Tolkein. I think you mean "Contemporary Fantasy" ? Well, if one were to be a pedant about it... "Modern" as in "Set in modern times" as opposed to "set in swords and sorcery". There's nothing "modern" about Tolkein.

Author:	TheRiov [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:29 pm ]
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The Lord Of The Rings The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy Ender's Game The Dune Chronicles A Song Of Ice And Fire Series 1984 Fahrenheit 451 The Foundation Trilogy Brave New World American Gods The Princess Bride Wheel of Time The Wheel Of Time Series Animal Farm Neuromancer Watchmen I, Robot Stranger in a Strange Land The Kingkiller Chronicles Slaughterhouse-Five Frankenstein Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? The Handmaid's Tale The Dark Tower Series 2001: A Space Odyssey The Stand Snow Crash The Martian Chronicles Cat's Cradle The Sandman Series A Clockwork Orange Starship Troopers Watership Down Dragonflight The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress A Canticle for Leibowitz The Time Machine 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea Flowers For Algernon The War Of The Worlds The Amber Chronicles The Belgariad The Mists Of Avalon Mistborn Trilogy Ringworld The Left Hand Of Darkness The Silmarillion The Once And Future King Neverwhere Childhood's End Contact The Hyperion Cantos Stardust Cryptonomicon World War Z: An Oral History of the Zombie War The Last Unicorn The Forever War Small Gods:A Novel of Discworld The Chronicles Of Thomas Covenant The Unbeliever The Vorkosigan Saga Going Postal The Mote In God's Eye The Sword Of Truth Series The Road Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell I Am Legend The Riftwar Saga The Sword of Shannara Trilogy The Conan The Barbarian Series The Farseer Trilogy The Time Traveler's Wife The Way Of Kings Journey to the Center of the Earth The Legend Of Drizzt Series Old Man's War The Diamond Age Rendezvous With Rama The Kushiel's Legacy Series The Dispossessed An Ambiguous Utopia Something Wicked This Way Comes Wicked The Malazan Book Of The Fallen series The Eyre Affair The Culture Series The Crystal Cave Anathem The Codex Alera Series Shadow & Claw The Thrawn Trilogy Outlander The Elric Saga The Illustrated Man Sunshine A Fire upon the Deep The Caves of Steel The Mars Trilogy Lucifer's Hammer Doomsday Book Perdido Street Station The Xanth Series The Space Trilogy

Author:	TheRiov [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:54 pm ]
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The Lord Of The Rings - Genre defining, but probably overwritten in places The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy - Ender's Game hugely spoiled now, still a good read. The Dune Chronicles - I started this series. just couldn't get into it. A Song Of Ice And Fire Series 1984 Fahrenheit 451 The Foundation Trilogy - I recently re-read Foundation and realized just how disjointed it can be. Reads unlike anything else on this list that I've read. Brave New World - Actually one of my favorite books as a teenager. American Gods The Princess Bride - do we have to hear about her packing her hats for another 4 pages???!? The Wheel Of Time Series - overrated in the extreme. I know it has its adherents but I'd rather stick icepicks in my ears. Animal Farm I'm assuming this fits on the list as Fantasy Neuromancer Watchmen I, Robot Stranger in a Strange Land The Kingkiller Chronicles Slaughterhouse-Five Frankenstein Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? The Handmaid's Tale - I'm actually not sure how I didn't read this one. every other senior class in my high school had to read it but mine. The Dark Tower Series 2001: A Space Odyssey not nearly as mind-numbing as the movie. The Stand Snow Crash The Martian Chronicles Cat's Cradle The Sandman Series A Clockwork Orange I love bringing this novel into discussions of ~~religious education~~ Brainwashing of children. Starship Troopers Watership Down I ... guess... this is fantasy. the rabbits aren't exactly anthropomorphic, but they've got slightly higher intelligence than real rabbits. Dragonflight The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress A Canticle for Leibowitz The Time Machine "oh no.... not morlocks!!!" 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea Flowers For Algernon This novel depressed me to no end. The War Of The Worlds The Amber Chronicles The Belgariad considering re-reading this one. It strongly appealed to my significant other when she read it recently. I didn't get that much out of it. Then again, she didn't like the Otherland series so maybe its just her. ;-> The Mists Of Avalon I'm kind of neutral on the rest of the series, though enjoyed this one. Mistborn Trilogy Ringworld I felt there was too much in the way of attempts to appeal to young adult males--the sex felt contrived and solely for the purpose of titillation. The Left Hand Of Darkness The Silmarillion so... so.... dry..... The Once And Future King I actually loved this one. My copy disintegrated with multiple readings. Neverwhere Childhood's End not terribly memorable. Contact The Hyperion Cantos Stardust Cryptonomicon World War Z: An Oral History of the Zombie War The Last Unicorn The Forever War Small Gods:A Novel of Discworld I find discworld overrated. I've read them, but I don't devour them like I do other books. The Chronicles Of Thomas Covenant The Unbeliever The Vorkosigan Saga Going Postal The Mote In God's Eye The Sword Of Truth Series The Road Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell I Am Legend The Riftwar Saga The Sword of Shannara Trilogy again, overrated. The Conan The Barbarian Series The Farseer Trilogy The Time Traveler's Wife The Way Of Kings Journey to the Center of the Earth The Legend Of Drizzt Series I honestly enjoyed the Cleric Quintet far more that Drizzt. That said, I've read every Drizzt book. Old Man's War I LOVE this series. my current favorite on this list. I dearly would love to see it made into movies, but I just don't think you could do it justice. The Diamond Age Rendezvous With Rama heavy scifi, not for beginners. more hardcore than a lot of this stuff. The Kushiel's Legacy Series The Dispossessed An Ambiguous Utopia Something Wicked This Way Comes I vaguely remember reading this, but I'll be damned if I could remember what its about even. Wicked I'm actually going to see the musical in a couple of weeks. The Malazan Book Of The Fallen series The Eyre Affair The Culture Series The Crystal Cave Anathem The Codex Alera Series Shadow & Claw The Thrawn Trilogy Zahn actually gets a huge amount of credit for jump-starting Star Wars again. I think most of us would have been happy to have this series be Episodes VII-IX Outlander The Elric Saga - On my must-read list. The Illustrated Man Sunshine A Fire upon the Deep The Caves of Steel yawn R. Daneel Olivaw so uninteresting. Technically this series links up the Foundation series along with the Empire Novels, etc. The Mars Trilogy more hard Sci-Fi. Lucifer's Hammer Doomsday Book Perdido Street Station The Xanth Series this series just got too silly as time went on The Space Trilogy

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Author:	Lex Luthor [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:15 pm ]
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Khross: What do you call Watership Down if it isn't fantasy? It's a great book, and I don't think fantasy fits well either but can't think of what to label it.

Author:	Khross [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:27 pm ]
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Lex Luthor wrote: Khross: What do you call Watership Down if it isn't fantasy? It's a great book, and I don't think fantasy fits well either but can't think of what to label it. It's a fairy tale amusingly.

Author:	Lex Luthor [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:29 pm ]
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Khross wrote: Lex Luthor wrote: Khross: What do you call Watership Down if it isn't fantasy? It's a great book, and I don't think fantasy fits well either but can't think of what to label it. It's a fairy tale amusingly. That's interesting because the characters in the novel tell fairy tales, in fact fairly detailed and lengthy ones.

Author:	Khross [ Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:33 pm ]
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Lex Luthor wrote: Khross wrote: Lex Luthor wrote: Khross: What do you call Watership Down if it isn't fantasy? It's a great book, and I don't think fantasy fits well either but can't think of what to label it. It's a fairy tale amusingly. That's interesting because the characters in the novel tell fairy tales, in fact fairly detailed and lengthy ones. If memory serves, it's folktales that start the book; the novel itself though is a fairy tale.