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And I completely agree about Iron Man. His interactions, especially with Cap and Banner, are what really made the movie for me.

Amazingly, Black Widow remained useful and even necessary throughout the movie.

The lack of continuity with his quiver being almost empty and then full again was a little annoying.

Since this is a spoilers thread, I have a question about the movie. At one point Banner says something like "my secret is that I'm always angry". What significance does that have exactly? Why is that his secret? I just didn't quite 'get' that scene.

Serienya wrote:

The lack of continuity with his quiver being almost empty and then full again was a little annoying.

So in a movie with Norse Gods, zero point energy powered millionaires and Green rage monsters, the endless quiver AA pushes the suspend disbelief envelope?

On Hulk: How is it he went on a murderous spree trying to kill black widow when she was only helping him, then a few hours later he's working with the team and (mostly) not attacking them?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/06/showbiz/avengers-breaks-record/

Damn...

They're estimates. Final numbers usually hit Monday afternoon.

Author:	Kaffis Mark V [ Sat May 05, 2012 9:40 am ]
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Okay, I'm breaking out into a new thread here because I'm itching to talk over the movie in detail. The only thing I was really let down by was Hawkeye. Movie Hawkeye just doesn't work. I get the feeling that's because it's based off of Ultimate Hawkeye, who also doesn't really work. Hawkeye is, in my limited 616 classic Avengers exposure, the everyman eye into Avengers' Mansion. He works because he's relatable surrounded by compatriots and, often, enemies of truly staggering power. It also helps that he's a sense of humor and the team's designated authority challenger. Ultimate Hawkeye is none of these things. The anti-authority rebel gets swapped for the chain-of-command secret agent. The comic relief is abandoned for an attempt at an intimidatingly silent/gruff demeanor. He's not simply a world-class ex-Olympic archer, he's a bionically enhanced super-assassin. And ends up being utterly boring, a necessary but forgettable plot tool to be, along with the Black Widow, Nick Fury's loyal hand on the wheel within the Avengers. Movie Hawkeye suffers from all of these same flaws, and then gets mind controlled to be even more bland. He also suffered from being pretty lame in the final battle. Setting him up as the eye in the sky was a pretty smart use of him, but it fell flat because there's, like, 2 moments in the fight where he actually spots/coordinates for anybody. The rest of the time he sits there shooting arrows with terribad form. The only moment of interest came from the light comedic note where Loki underestimates him by simply catching (and holding) his exploding arrow. The most positive thing I can say about Hawkeye in this film is that I thought the little arrow-head loader in his quiver was a neat idea. Too bad it's still a quiver of, like, thirty arrows. So, now that the biggest letdown of the film in my eyes is out of the way, on to discussing the good points. My favorite shot was at the climactic battle in Manhattan. There's this one shot that follows action from one Avenger to another, covering all 6 over the course of one shot as their battles rage through the streets. It was a snappily done shot, packing a lot of variety and interesting action into one sequence that flowed well and really did a good job of bringing together a lot of working alone towards a common goal and covering different aspects of the same fight. That was really great, and did a good sense of conveying the way the Avengers works as a team. It rarely works out that they combine their abilities into pooled power combos the way the Fantastic Four obviously do, yet the Avengers needs to convey a sense of teamwork. That shot helped a lot in that regard, and I think showcases Whedon's flair for ensemble-work, as well. People say that the Hulk stole the show. And I'm happy to agree that this was, by far, the most entertaining Hulk we've seen to date, and really an excellent showcase of Hulk-combat as he gleefully leapt about, smashing one foe after a next at a whim. And the treatment of Banner was solid. But Hulk wasn't the show-stealer, for me. Robert Downey, Jr. took the Whedon-scripted dialogue, melded it effortlessly with the snarky, disrespectful, and ego-run-rampant character he had cultivated with Favreau, and cut loose. Marvel made an incredibly smart choice using Iron Man as their debut character for their self-produced films, and Whedon scored big here by nailing all the same notes and themes of the character. Movieverse Tony Stark was born to speak Whedon's lines. I also must credit Favreau with the brilliant pairing of AC/DC and Iron Man. It's truly become an iconic association with me, and I'm glad Whedon recognized it. The instant Shoot to Thrill started playing, I knew Iron Man was coming onto the scene -- and I love that Whedon works it into the scene by having Tony hack the PA system just to make an entrance and really play his image to the crowd. Or maybe he just loves imagining himself as the star of his own Superhero Movie, and recognizes that he needs a soundtrack. Or maybe some good old Arena Rock just keeps just keeps him sharp, the way artists and often thinkers listen to music while they work. But hearing Brian Johnson belting out in his high range just perfectly compliments and sets the tone for Iron Man's kinetic, high energy fighting scenes. Anyways, those are my initial thoughts. I'm going to leave you with a most awesome mid-movie exchange between my comic-challenged friend and me: Right after Thor hits Cap's shield in the woods and ends that fight: Friend: "I bet Iron Man wishes he had a suit made out of that!" Me: "That's probably the one thing on Earth he couldn't afford..."

Author:	Slythe [ Sat May 05, 2012 2:33 pm ]
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Since this is a spoilers thread, I have a question about the movie. At one point Banner says something like "my secret is that I'm always angry". What significance does that have exactly? Why is that his secret? I just didn't quite 'get' that scene.

Author:	Hopwin [ Sat May 05, 2012 4:00 pm ]
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Everyone thinks he found a way to stay forever calm, serene. "What's your secret?" plagues him.

Author:	Pheona [ Sat May 05, 2012 7:58 pm ]
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The face and sound Loki makes as hulk walks away. Just... I laugh so hard. And I completely agree about Iron Man. His interactions, especially with Cap and Banner, are what really made the movie for me. With Cap I loved the progression from rivals to team mates. And adorable science buddies are adorable. But in that last scene in the tower, why is Pepper barefoot? In the construction area? Where lots and lots of stuff was shattered into tiny sharp pieces? Why? Did Hulk smash all her shoes?

Author:	Serienya [ Sun May 06, 2012 10:15 am ]
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The folks I was with thought that the villain in the first Easter egg was a Skrull. I told them it was Thanos. I've read the Avengers books off-and-on since the early 80's, so it was a "cool!" moment for me. But no, they had to call someone to go Google it. (The line right before they showed him was great, because it referenced his association with Mistress Death and the pseudo-Greek of his name, as "thanatos" = "death". My geek side went squee.) Great teamwork at the end - and really showcased Cap's true value as a leader/tactician instead of just being the muscle. I wanted more Hawkeye. His personality was lacking, compared to what I'm used to. (I know he's more based on the Ultimate version, but I love the original version.) The lack of continuity with his quiver being almost empty and then full again was a little annoying. Black Widow getting info out of Loki was a thing of beauty. Agent Maria Hill needs to be a little more bad ***. She was just a flunky in this. (And, if the city has time to start cleaning up, and she has time to put on a clean uniform, why did she not have time to clean the blood off of her face?) "Puny god" was awesome. Yay for more use of lightning by the God of Thunder. I loved that Hulk couldn't lift Mjolnir. I'm looking forward to the next film. We enjoyed it quite a bit. My daughter (almost 8) also enjoyed it. Listening to her afterwards going on about which Avengers she liked best was cute. I really need to see this one again. My daughter kept distracting me and trying to tell me things (whispered), so there is some dialogue I didn't fully hear.

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Author:	Coren [ Sun May 06, 2012 11:52 am ]
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Pheona wrote: And I completely agree about Iron Man. His interactions, especially with Cap and Banner, are what really made the movie for me. I 90% agree...and agree with Kaffis that I after thinking about it I can't quite say Hulk "stole" the movie...but, since for me the single biggest laugh of the movie, and single biggest "want to jump out of my chair and yell" moment of the movie both came from Hulk, he came pretty darned close.

Author:	Uncle Fester [ Sun May 06, 2012 3:01 pm ]
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Just goddamn awesome, much better then I thought it could be, everyone got their kick *** moment(s). I love Paulson the fan boy! and the set up for number 2 geeked me out. (fighting the earthling would be courting death.....que Thanato's smiling!) Marvel has set the comic movie bar pretty hight.

Author:	Talya [ Sun May 06, 2012 6:07 pm ]
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Amazingly, Black Widow remained useful and even necessary throughout the movie.

Author:	Rorinthas [ Sun May 06, 2012 9:03 pm ]
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Does Stan have a good cameo this time?

Author:	Raell [ Sun May 06, 2012 9:15 pm ]
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Talya wrote: Amazingly, Black Widow remained useful and even necessary throughout the movie. It is Joss, he wouldn't have had it any other way. I can honstly say, I loved the movie. It was perfect in every way. Comic Hawkeye, while I love him would not work in a movie. The casting was all wrong for my Hawkeye anyway so I won't ***** too much. Mid Credits... Ok...yea. Thanos. So there will be two all CGI monsters should another one manage to get made. That should be interesting. Post-Credits....ALOL

Author:	Raell [ Sun May 06, 2012 10:03 pm ]
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/06/showbiz/a ... ks-record/ Damn...

Author:	Rorinthas [ Sun May 06, 2012 11:32 pm ]
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Serienya wrote: The lack of continuity with his quiver being almost empty and then full again was a little annoying. So in a movie with Norse Gods, zero point energy powered millionaires and Green rage monsters, the endless quiver AA pushes the suspend disbelief envelope?

Author:	Dalantia [ Mon May 07, 2012 12:02 am ]
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Slythe wrote: Since this is a spoilers thread, I have a question about the movie. At one point Banner says something like "my secret is that I'm always angry". What significance does that have exactly? Why is that his secret? I just didn't quite 'get' that scene. His secret to keeping the Hulk under control instead of berserking is acceptance, I think. He doesn't flip out unless Pushed Very Hard or in a life-threatening situation.

Author:	Raell [ Mon May 07, 2012 12:55 am ]
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Rorinthas wrote: Serienya wrote: The lack of continuity with his quiver being almost empty and then full again was a little annoying. So in a movie with Norse Gods, zero point energy powered millionaires and Green rage monsters, the endless quiver AA pushes the suspend disbelief envelope? Two things...while I have only seen it once. First, I thought I saw him with two quivers at one point. Second, they made it seem like an 'oh no! He is empty' type of thing when it did happen.

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Author:	Talya [ Mon May 07, 2012 6:42 am ]
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Thinking about the hawkeye comments - the team already had one rebel wisecracking smartass. It's just better dynamics to add a dour laconic soldier, even if the character himself isn't nearly as interesting. "Ultimate Hawkeye" allowed them to do this without messing with the character. On Hulk: How is it he went on a murderous spree trying to kill black widow when she was only helping him, then a few hours later he's working with the team and (mostly) not attacking them?

Author:	Raell [ Mon May 07, 2012 6:59 am ]
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Hulk should just become a supporting character in the other films. Unless they work towards the Hulk we had in the Pantheon story arc. All the power of the Hulk, all the brians of Banner.

Author:	Kaffis Mark V [ Mon May 07, 2012 8:00 am ]
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Talya wrote: On Hulk: How is it he went on a murderous spree trying to kill black widow when she was only helping him, then a few hours later he's working with the team and (mostly) not attacking them? The magic of the character arc. Tony had been pushing some thought-provoking stuff on Banner in the lab. Banner wasn't buying it, didn't think it'd work. He Hulks out, then finds out when he wakes up that Hulk steered towards an abandoned warehouse to crash-land. So, apparently, the Hulk was able to think about what Stark said, and thought he agreed. The way I see it, that probably killed Banner's skepticism, and the full-buy-in was just pushing him closer down the line towards that acceptance Dal mentioned.

Author:	Raell [ Mon May 07, 2012 8:31 am ]
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ALOL Oh that is great...ALOL. Thank you I needed that.

Author:	Talya [ Mon May 07, 2012 9:11 am ]
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I can't figure out how they had the weekend box office by mid-afternoon yesterday, before the Sunday evening movies had even been counted.

Author:	FarSky [ Mon May 07, 2012 10:16 am ]
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They're estimates. Final numbers usually hit Monday afternoon.

Author:	Talya [ Mon May 07, 2012 2:54 pm ]
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FarSky wrote: They're estimates. Final numbers usually hit Monday afternoon. And now they have. $207,438,708 domesticly. That beats HPatDHp2 for top weekend opening ever, by over 38 million.

Author:	Jhorra [ Mon May 07, 2012 4:32 pm ]
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It deserves every penny.

Author:	Kaffis Mark V [ Mon May 07, 2012 4:48 pm ]
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I think now is the right time for Whedon to pitch a Firefly revival.