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LTTP: Star Trek (2009)
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Author:  Rodahn [ Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:57 pm ]
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Recently nabbed this one off of Netflix.

Ummm wow!

Revival of the franchise? If they all uphold the same level of quality, I say bring it on. A+ performances all around. Visual and sound effects were incredible (I especially love the scene where all of the ships are kicking into warp after the Vulcan distress call, and they all shoot out into space with a satisfying "SNAP!" of the warp engines).

Only gripes: Time travel . . . again :P Messed with the already established time line, in a way negating some notable aspects of what we have seen in the films set in the series' future.
Author:  Raell [ Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:28 pm ]
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Not to call you late for supper but we were all pretty much in love with this film when it was in theaters. You should have seen it on the big screen.
Author:  Aegnor [ Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:30 pm ]
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Yeah, that is the hardest thing to take. It essentially means all of the Star Trek franchise from the original, to TNG, DS9, Voyager, etc, didn't happen. Its kind of like that one TV series in the 80s (St. Elmo's Fire?) where in the series finale you learn it has all been the imagination of an autistic boy. It cheapens it in a way.

On a nearly competely unreleated topic, I just watched the movie "1984" last night. I'd read the book, but it has been years (nearly 20 years). The scene in TNG where the Cardasian (sp?) is attempting to break Capt. Picard (There are four lights!) bears a striking resemblence to the scene in 1984 where the main character is being tortured not to just say that he sees five fingers when the torturer holds up four, but to actually believe it. He says five fingers, but the torturer doesn't think he believes it and tortures him more.
Author:  Rodahn [ Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:37 pm ]
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Raell wrote:
You should have seen it on the big screen.


TBPH, I am not a theater fan at all. Without fail, the screens I go to are almost always full of chatty kids or otherwise obnoxious people. That, and I have had an ongoing fear of someone chucking live gernades into seat rows during the movie.

Besides, I got an upscaling PS3, a large screen TV, and a light switch -- instant Ramen home theater!
Author:  Numbuk [ Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:03 pm ]
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I love that it's an alternate timeline. It gives them freedom to make established properties even better without getting tons of nerd rage mail bombs.

My biggest gripe is that it was just wee bit contrived on how they got a bunch of green cadets fresh out of the academy to be a part of the bridge officer crew on the flagship of the Federation. That... and
Spoiler:
why the hell was Spock hanging out in a cave for so long when he knew there was an outpost not far from his position?


As for my first gripe, I would accept (swallow) it a lot better if they had hinted towards destiny (Spock Prime uses the word here and there). I kind of like the idea that fate and destiny are kind of bound to people no matter what the timeline. It would explain why the main characters of Trek still hang around (or know) each other in the Mirror Universe. But when you start talking about fate, destiny, or anything that starts to border on religion, Trek fans de-evolve into a frothing rage.

Lots of ner...er.. fans demanding the sequel have Khan in it. I say nay. NAY! There is a HUGE, HUGE difference between what fanboys want and what fanboys ACTUALLY want. And they would not really want a Khan movie. They might think they do, but they don't. Ricardo Montalban did a wonderful job as Khan. Let him keep that. Khan also worked because he had already been established in the original series before the movie came out.

Although I guess one could use my own argument of "destiny" against me in favor of Khan.
Author:  FarSky [ Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:09 pm ]
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Aegnor wrote:
Yeah, that is the hardest thing to take. It essentially means all of the Star Trek franchise from the original, to TNG, DS9, Voyager, etc, didn't happen. Its kind of like that one TV series in the 80s (St. Elmo's Fire?) where in the series finale you learn it has all been the imagination of an autistic boy. It cheapens it in a way.

1. As Numbuk mentioned, it's an alternate timeline. JJ Abrams is now free to take whatever creative license he wishes with his series, and the original canon is left untouched.

2. This frees Abrams up to make more good Star Trek stuff, unlike the original canon. :D
Author:  Rodahn [ Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:05 pm ]
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I agree with the bunch of wet behind the ears cadets suddenly commanding a flagship gripe. In fact, I was just thinking of that today. Kirk goes from a rabble rousing college kid who sneeks aboard a ship, to First Officer, to Capt of the Enterprise in like a few days? If that? I mean yeah he saved Earth and punched some bad guys and all that, but still . . .
Author:  FarSky [ Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:27 pm ]
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Three years. It's a three-year span between Kirk signing up with Starfleet and the reappearance of the Narada.

Also, who cares? It's emotionally satisfying; Kirk is in charge of his ship, and everyone is in place to go forward.
Author:  Rodahn [ Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:35 pm ]
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FarSky wrote:
Three years. It's a three-year span between Kirk signing up with Starfleet and the reappearance of the Narada.

Also, who cares? It's emotionally satisfying; Kirk is in charge of his ship, and everyone is in place to go forward.


Well, I was talking about the timeframe from when he actually got aboard (smuggled onto) the Enterprise to when he took command.

But yeah, ultimately it's inconsequential to the overall point of the movie. Still takes a large dose of suspesion of disbelief.
Author:  darksiege [ Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:42 pm ]
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Rodahn, I am just giving you crap here, I mean no ill:

So the fact that they are on a spaceship moving FTL and have transporters requires no suspension of disbelief.. but the fact that the cadets end up running the ship does?
Author:  Talya [ Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:48 pm ]
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Aegnor wrote:
Yeah, that is the hardest thing to take. It essentially means all of the Star Trek franchise from the original, to TNG, DS9, Voyager, etc, didn't happen.


Time in Trek doesn't work that way. It follows the "many worlds" theory, in which each reality branches at each possibility, and all possible futures and pasts exist simultaneously as various branches. The final episode of TNG made that very clear with the many Enterprises that show up.
Author:  Rodahn [ Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:07 pm ]
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Darksiege, yeah I know, but I guess it's because it's sci-fi I expect all the ships and hyperdrives and aliens.

But the insane rank advancement? Maybe that's just how they rizzoll in the 23rd century.
Author:  darksiege [ Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:21 pm ]
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Rodahn wrote:
Darksiege, yeah I know, but I guess it's because it's sci-fi I expect all the ships and hyperdrives and aliens.

But the insane rank advancement? Maybe that's just how they rizzoll in the 23rd century.


I agree with you on this, I just had to give you crap about the suspension of disbelief thing.
Author:  Micheal [ Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:23 pm ]
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Who else is left?

Spoiler:
Most of Star Fleet's officers were killed early in the movie. Everyone goes to meet the bad guys and gets aced. Rookie cadets take the Enterprise and save the day, then everyone realizes that they are now senior officers. Pike is in a wheelchair and can't take command back and is probably about to be made Admiral.

Weakest part of the movie to me, a retired senior officer would be preferable to this one raw week ago ensign as the commander of the flagship of Star Fleet.
Author:  Raell [ Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:58 pm ]
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Correct me if I am wrong but I do believe he had been promoted at the end, Pike that is.
Author:  FarSky [ Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:09 pm ]
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We finished the movie for the fourth time about ten minutes ago. Raell is correct; Pike was already promoted prior to the film's penultimate scene.
Author:  Katas [ Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:20 pm ]
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Spoiler:
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Can you say cameo?

Pointed that out at the comic book shop yesterday when we stopped in as they were playing it in store.

And yes, I bought this and enjoyed it immensely in theaters.

I 2nd the 'No Khan but Montalban!' movement.
Author:  Raell [ Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:27 pm ]
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WTF? Is that real?
Author:  Lonedar [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:16 am ]
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FarSky wrote:
We finished the movie for the fourth time about ten minutes ago. Raell is correct; Pike was already promoted prior to the film's penultimate scene.



beep beep
Author:  Aizle [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:07 pm ]
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Raell wrote:
WTF? Is that real?


A quick google search appears to confirm it as being true.
Author:  Darkroland [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:31 pm ]
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Chiming in with love for the film and the wise choice to make it an alternate timeline. Attempting to create new stories in the original for films is setting yourself up for failure.

Personally, while I loved the first film, I think it made me more excited for film 2 in the series. They did an excellent job of setting up the characters and including action, but it was still a genesis movie, and the first full film that doesn't require an hour of run time for character builds should be even better. I can't wait for this series Wrath of Khan.

Confirmation for R2D2- http://gizmodo.com/5405276/confirmed-r2+d2-finally-discovered-in-star-trek

Apparently, the Space Shuttle also makes a cameo - http://gizmodo.com/5286649/mystery-solved-this-is-where-r2+d2-is-in-star-trek

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Author:  Rodahn [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:54 pm ]
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That's pretty fly.

I'll have to slo-mo that part next time.
Author:  Shelgeyr [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:07 pm ]
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Darkroland wrote:
I can't wait for this series Wrath of Khan.
They'll need to work through a lot of storyline to get that far, won't they? And since this is an alternate reality, those events might never come to pass, right?
Author:  Micheal [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:10 pm ]
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Khan and his crew would have left on the Botany Bay before Kirk was ever born.

Whether the Enterprise would have been in the right place to discover the colony ship, or events would play out the same way, in this brave new universe is anyone's guess.
Author:  Shelgeyr [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:18 pm ]
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Micheal wrote:
Whether the Enterprise would have been in the right place to discover the colony ship, or events would play out the same way, in this brave new universe is anyone's guess.
Pretty much what I'm thinkin'.
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