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Author:  Shelgeyr [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:21 pm ]
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Listening to the radio on my way home from work, I came to the realization that I cannot stand Eric Clapton's Tears in Heaven.
Don't know why. I just don't like it, at all. I dislike it enough to change the station, which I almost never do.

Am I the only one? Anybody else have an intense dislike for something that should by all rights be enjoyable?
Author:  Numbuk [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:00 pm ]
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Most things by Metallica. But that's more due to the fact that I was a fan but had been ordered to cease and desist during the whole Napster era.
Author:  Nevandal [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:50 pm ]
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I don't understand this thread.

Hate something you know is good?

My friends...when you know something is good how could you possibly hate it? If you hate something, how good could it be?


Take for instance, Metallica. I hate most things by Metallica, and I know they aren't good.
Author:  Aethien [ Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:55 pm ]
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Elton John. Maybe he's just overplayed here in LA, but I really dislike his music nowadays, except for about one or two songs.

Oh, yeah, and, that Clapton song, too. It's just so schmaltzy (I know, he has good reason, but, still).
Author:  Micheal [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:12 am ]
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Coffee, tastes horrible to me. So many people love it though.
Author:  Monte [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:08 am ]
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My GF loves the smell of coffee and hates the taste.
Author:  Rorinthas [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:27 am ]
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I can't bring myself to start the WOT series. Just too daunting I guess.
Author:  Rodahn [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:54 am ]
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Some friends of mine and I had a similar discussion years ago.

I think it's a matter of semantics. By saying you hate something, you kind of imply that you think that it is bad. On the flip side, you can hate anything Beethoven did, but that does not change the fact that his work is widely recognized as technically superb and among the finest music ever produced.

As for me: sports. Soooo many people (esp. guys) rave about the virtues of sports. They bore me silly.
Author:  Lydiaa [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:15 pm ]
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shallots, another proof i'm not asian enough...
Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:45 pm ]
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Rorinthas wrote:
I can't bring myself to start the WOT series. Just too daunting I guess.

Well, I'm a fan, and I wouldn't call the series *good.* ;)
Author:  Coren [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:25 am ]
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Nevandal wrote:
My friends...when you know something is good how could you possibly hate it? If you hate something, how good could it be?


That's the difference between quality and personal taste. =)

There's a lot of Michael Jackson's stuff I couldn't stand...but there's no way I could deny that the man had just ridiculous amounts of musical and dance talent.
Author:  Shelgeyr [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:22 pm ]
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Rodahn wrote:
I think it's a matter of semantics. By saying you hate something, you kind of imply that you think that it is bad.
Totally disagree. In many cases, strong dislike and a belief in the idea that a thing is "bad" go hand in hand; but I'm specifically talking about feelings of strong dislike directed at a thing you know to not be bad. The one does not necessarily have to be bound to the other.
Author:  Raell [ Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:13 pm ]
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Monte wrote:
My GF loves the smell of coffee and hates the taste.



I am the same way. I smell it brewing in the morning and it smells so good yet I would never drink it.
Author:  Xequecal [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:26 am ]
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**** Nirvana. Please explain to me what the difference is between them and Linkin Park other than the fact that Kurt Cobain offed himself.
Author:  Raell [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:33 am ]
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Xequecal wrote:
**** Nirvana. Please explain to me what the difference is between them and Linkin Park other than the fact that Kurt Cobain offed himself.


People were big on them before that. I do not care for them myself.
Author:  Numbuk [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:44 am ]
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Xequecal wrote:
**** Nirvana. Please explain to me what the difference is between them and Linkin Park other than the fact that Kurt Cobain offed himself.


In a sea of clones, they stood out. Linkin Park does not. They have two front-men, that's the only thing that makes them somewhat unique. But even then it's a gimmick.

On a related note: I'm not a huge fan of Nirvana but I do recognize their contribution to music. There is only one song of theirs that I will turn the volume up if it begins playing on the radio (Lithium).
Author:  telloran [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:03 am ]
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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Rorinthas wrote:
I can't bring myself to start the WOT series. Just too daunting I guess.

Well, I'm a fan, and I wouldn't call the series *good.* ;)


I started the series and put it down about halfway through the 4th book. I just felt like he was milking the series for every word at that point. I mean, seriously... how many pages of dress descriptions and braid tugging can you write about Mr. Jordan?
Author:  Darkroland [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:21 am ]
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Xequecal wrote:
**** Nirvana. Please explain to me what the difference is between them and Linkin Park other than the fact that Kurt Cobain offed himself.


Hehe, damn that's cold.

Their main contribution was that they were the first. In a sea of pop, they brought grunge to the mainstream, where it had not been before. I was not big into them during their heyday either, but their Nevermind album is one of the best put together altrock albums ever, with almost every track becoming a single eventually. Looking back at this point sometimes it's difficult to have perspective (especially since they have been copied endlessly at this point), but when they first released it was explosive.
Author:  Talya [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:26 pm ]
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Shelgeyr wrote:
Rodahn wrote:
I think it's a matter of semantics. By saying you hate something, you kind of imply that you think that it is bad.
Totally disagree. In many cases, strong dislike and a belief in the idea that a thing is "bad" go hand in hand; but I'm specifically talking about feelings of strong dislike directed at a thing you know to not be bad. The one does not necessarily have to be bound to the other.


I agree. For instance, I can appreciate a movie or book or TV show for excellent writing and execution, and not like the genre or style and therefore have no enjoyment (or even actively dislike) watching or reading it. (The Braveheart discussion from another thread comes to mind. I see it as a very well made movie, but I do not like it and will not willingly watch it again.)
Author:  Müs [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:35 pm ]
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I hate the Twilight series.

Oh... you said "good"

:)
Author:  Rodahn [ Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:08 pm ]
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Shelgeyr wrote:
Rodahn wrote:
I think it's a matter of semantics. By saying you hate something, you kind of imply that you think that it is bad.
Totally disagree. In many cases, strong dislike and a belief in the idea that a thing is "bad" go hand in hand; but I'm specifically talking about feelings of strong dislike directed at a thing you know to not be bad. The one does not necessarily have to be bound to the other.


Right, which is why I said you imply that you think it's poor quality. Person A is talking to Person B about Beethoven. Person A says, "God I really hate Beethoven." Person A has just implied to Person B that he thinks Beethoven is poor quality. It now takes a specific question like, "So you think Beethoven's stuff is poor quality?" from Person B to get confirmation otherwise.
Author:  Noggel [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:39 am ]
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From what little I've waded into its world, I think I will lump many classic movies into this category for me. I went on a cinematic journey to get some culture in me and watched some big name movies that have continued to be big name movies after decades.

I'm not sure it applies, since I didn't really hate any of them. It takes an awful lot for me to actively hate anything. But a lot of these classics were just kind of meh to me. Kurosawa films, for example. Did I enjoy them? Yeah I suppose. I'd use the adjective "interesting" for Rashomon before I'd use anything like "fun". But I suppose it's because I don't really have the context -- as a director he did a lot of things first, from my understanding, things that I have taken for granted seeing in plenty of movies all my life. It's hard to appreciate that at heart... my brain knows I should, but that doesn't mean I'm thrilled to watch the movies.

So hate? No, but like less than I feel I should? That seems fair. :p

What about a movie like Sabrina which is fairly heavily leaning towards one gender? Same situation? Curious...
Author:  Timmit [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:40 am ]
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Rorinthas wrote:
I can't bring myself to start the WOT series. Just too daunting I guess.

I Don't think anyone here really reads WoT because they think it's good. I only read it because I got suckered in with the first couple books (which WERE good) and am now reading the rest only out of bloody-mindedness.
Author:  Talya [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:23 am ]
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Noggel wrote:
What about a movie like Sabrina which is fairly heavily leaning towards one gender? Same situation? Curious...



Which, the original or the remake?

As much as I don't want to disrespect Bogart or Hepburn, the original (1954) sucked. Holden was wooden. The supporting cast were morons. Hepburn was a helpless plaything. And Bogie was...Bogie. That part was okay. Redeeming feature I guess.

The remake (1995) was spectacular. Ford was his usual self (which is good), but Julia Ormond and Greg Kinnear stole the show. Nancy Marchand was actually good as the matriarch of the Larrabee financial empire. John Wood was lovable as John Fairchild, there was nothing bad about it.
Author:  Aegnor [ Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:10 am ]
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Timmit wrote:
Rorinthas wrote:
I can't bring myself to start the WOT series. Just too daunting I guess.

I Don't think anyone here really reads WoT because they think it's good. I only read it because I got suckered in with the first couple books (which WERE good) and am now reading the rest only out of bloody-mindedness.


I read it because I think its good. Very good. I didn't like Crossroads of Twilight, and there were other books that had parts in them I didn't like, but overall I like the series quite a bit. The last two books have been awesome.
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