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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 4:56 pm 
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I believe I specifically mentioned that in all my time playing TOR, I've never had access to the MMO content, because I can't get groups to do even the Heroic quests I can't solo as a general rule; and said frustration only got worse after consolidation and F2P on my server.

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Sorry that you require rails and forced narrative to define your RPGs. Good news though, I hear Peter Jackson has a new RPG coming out this fall :)

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He said to no one in particular.

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I chafe at rails. That said, I need direction, and I will grow tired of a game quickly if it has no ability to pace the narrative it offers me well. That means that things need to happen, and I'll like it best if those things are responding in real ways to the choices I do or do not make (or my success or failure, where I am not offered choices, per se -- but the allowance of progression with failure has become nearly as rare as the player who will tolerate it these days).

In many ways, Wing Commanders 1-3 have been the best RPGs I've ever played. I really need to dig out The Witcher when I have the time to take a serious shot at it.

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I'm not sure i like the analogy Lenas, but I get what youre saying. Actors are an integral part of the creative process. A game player in a non rpg has no creative input

But even d&d can be just a tactical simulator. Rpg involves what the player brings to it


In a tabletop RPG, you have other players and DM to provide the social interaction required in an RPG.

In a computer rpg, you really need the computer to provide the social interaction and dialogue that's missing from the table. My own character isn't alive to me until she's interacting with the others in the game.

The Elder Scrolls series doesn't really have that. The NPC interactions are flimsy at best. (Still better than many that came before, but this is a post-KOTOR world. You will be judged against the standard bioware set.)

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