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Author: | shuyung [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:01 pm ] |
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See, this is what supporting 4e has wrought. http://www.wizards.com/WPN/Sales/Articl ... ds_shadows |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:18 pm ] |
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Lol. On the other hand, I could see this as being kind of fun, depending on the sorts of cards they have. Glad it's a supplement, though. |
Author: | Darkroland [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:12 pm ] |
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I guess they have to fight pokemon somehow. |
Author: | TheRiov [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:56 pm ] |
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disgusting. |
Author: | Corolinth [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:46 pm ] |
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Darkroland wrote: I guess they have to fight pokemon somehow. Their flagship product is doing fairly well on that front.
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Author: | Coren [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:25 pm ] |
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This isn't the first instance of this type of product...the earliest one I recall offhand was made by Paizo for Pathfinder. |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:56 pm ] |
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Indeed. Which, I might add, is a 3.5-based product. Well, SRD-derived product. Point is, 4e resisted this longer! |
Author: | Corolinth [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 7:47 pm ] |
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http://www.amazon.com/Players-Handbook-Fighter-Power-Accessory/dp/0786952237 Did it, really? |
Author: | shuyung [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:31 pm ] |
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I haven't been impressed by Pathfinder either. That having been said, investigating the earlier card offerings indicates that the WotC and Paizo stuff were merely record-keeping aids. I find them ridiculous, but not all that offensive. These from WotC are intended to influence gameplay. Apparently the game mechanics of 4e are such a failure, or the players and DMs are so inept and unimaginative, that this tragic further bastardization of Dungeons and Dragons was warranted. |
Author: | darksiege [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:00 pm ] |
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Hell even TSR had simple record keeping cards: Priest Spell Cards Wizard Spell Cards Psionic Power Cards Hell I even made a set of 3x5 index cards that had every weapon/armor or misc equipment item and its stats from the 2e PHB. I would even make some of those cards for my magic items. It was easier to keep a set handy for the things I need as opposed to flipping through books or memorizing that crap. But these are ridiculous. Again I would like to say Down with 4E. Gary Gygax did not die, he escaped the travesty that WoTC is turning his game into. |
Author: | Corolinth [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:12 pm ] |
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I thought the power cards were a pretty good idea. These, which turn your encounters into CCG matches, not so much. |
Author: | darksiege [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:15 pm ] |
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Corolinth wrote: I thought the power cards were a pretty good idea. These, which turn your encounters into CCG matches, not so much. As did I. I just used my example to expand upon what Shuyung stated right above me. |
Author: | Coren [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:18 am ] |
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shuyung wrote: I haven't been impressed by Pathfinder either. That having been said, investigating the earlier card offerings indicates that the WotC and Paizo stuff were merely record-keeping aids. The cards I referred to by Paizo were plot twist cards meant to be used to change up gameplay. |
Author: | Raell [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:25 am ] |
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shuyung wrote: I haven't been impressed by Pathfinder either. My DM has been tempted to switch from standard 3.5 to Pathfinder. His lone reason for this, Druids. We have a druid in our group and he is pretty much over powered when held up to the rest of the group. Pathfinder changed this. Other than that, I don't want to switch. |
Author: | shuyung [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:24 am ] |
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Coren wrote: The cards I referred to by Paizo were plot twist cards meant to be used to change up gameplay. Ah, I see them. Still ridiculous, but extremely limited in distribution and utility. Mechanically, they're not much different than a potion. From a storytelling perspective, they have something to offer the less imaginative DMs and players. Plus which, I notice the plot twists have a number of potentially-detrimental-to-PCs options. ![]() And, although the rules card for the Plot Twist cards states that a player can choose to use either the mechanical or storytelling piece of the card, it says nothing as to whether the DM can or can't implement a storytelling option in order for the player to receive the mechanical benefit. Meanwhile, the WotC fortune card offering, while stating that Wizards of the Coast wrote: they are an enhancement that simulates blind luck, the winds of fate, or divine influence ignores that half of that should be bad. ![]() And further, they are not limited in distribution. They indeed turn the RPG into a CCG. |
Author: | Coren [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:36 am ] |
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Well I have pretty much no reason to use the cards, I can't bring myself to nerdrage over 'em either. It's just kind of a re-emergence of a concept that's been used in RPGs in the past to add randomness. Just like everything else with D&D, you're encouraged to use what you like and not use what you don't, so I don't see the problem. ![]() |
Author: | shuyung [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:39 am ] |
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So what are you going to do when one of your players brings in a deck? |
Author: | Coren [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:48 am ] |
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Won't happen. They already know not to. ![]() |
Author: | shuyung [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:48 pm ] |
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Good luck with that. |
Author: | Coren [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:57 pm ] |
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No luck needed. That's what communication is for. |
Author: | Raell [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:15 pm ] |
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shuyung wrote: So what are you going to do when one of your players brings in a deck? Tell them we are going back to 3.5... ![]() |
Author: | darksiege [ Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:48 pm ] |
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Raell wrote: shuyung wrote: So what are you going to do when one of your players brings in a deck? Tell them we are going back to 3.5... ![]() dude... why not just really get fun: player brings in a deck and you dust off these F**kers.... ![]() |
Author: | Corolinth [ Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:08 am ] |
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They'd get that confused with this product that came out in September. |
Author: | Rorinthas [ Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:19 am ] |
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Coren wrote: This isn't the first instance of this type of product...the earliest one I recall offhand was made by Paizo for Pathfinder. Not by a long shot. Adventure card have been around for a while. |
Author: | darksiege [ Sat Jan 08, 2011 2:10 am ] |
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*grumble grumble* Sadly Coro... I know it would. |
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