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Author:  Müs [ Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:23 pm ]
Post subject:  ME: 3 [spoilers ahoy!]
So, to continue from the other thread because I'm tired of tagging everything.

I had thought that the crew complement of the SR-2 was similar to the SR-1 because of the extra awesomeness of EDI.

But that still doesn't change the puzzling nature of my ending. EDI was one of my squad in London. How the hell did Jeff manage to pick up the crew and leave with the time allotted? It can't have been very long from Shep getting roasted by Harbinger's Shipkillerbeam of DOOM and Shep making the decisions to end the universe.

The Normandy *had* to be in Earth orbit because they used the targeting system to fire the Thanix Missles.
Author:  Sean [ Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:28 pm ]
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Bad writing is bad. I can't believe it went from PURE AWESOME EPIC pretty much the entire way through the game to straight up "what the **** is this ****?" in the last 5 minutes. It's like the guy was incapable of writing an ending.

The Normandy position timeline makes no sense.

Destroying the relays makes no sense.

Shepard just accepting the bullshit fed to him/her by a retarded child ghost Anakin Skywalker makes no sense.

Oh. Wait. George Lucas killing the lead writer and taking over explains everything.
Author:  Müs [ Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:38 pm ]
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Yeh, I was thinking OMFG BEST GAME EVAR!!!!

Right up until the screen went white from Harbinger's laser of DOOM.

Then i was making the "Can't tell if serious" face up to Adm. Hackett saying "Hey Bro, I know you've done a lot so far... but its not working. Its on your end."

Then I was making the Jackie Chan WTF face. For pretty much the rest of the game.
Author:  Sean [ Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:45 pm ]
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I don't understand why Destroying ALL the Synthetic life is Bioware's "Best Perfect Ending" either.

Like, holy ****. I made **** peace with the Quarians and Geth and they were going to live with each other. The Geth were even fast-tracking the Quarian's immune system boost and setting up cities for them.

AND YOUR BEST ENDING IS ME KILLING THEM?

Also, lol at the "You're the only one who gets inside my suit Shepard" comment from Tali when she talks about the Geth helping the Quarian's immune systems by interfacing with their suits to help fix them. I <3 Tali.
Author:  Midgen [ Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:48 pm ]
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I wonder if the exodus of writers is related (cause or effect) of this 'controversial' ending...
Author:  Müs [ Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:48 pm ]
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I think it was because someone played Deus Ex:HR and thought ME should be this grand tale of Humanism instead of Self Determinism ;)

But the real sad part about the ending being as bad is it is, is it totally derails the talk about the rest of the game.

A game that was full of tense moments, loss and victory, humor and sadness and a totally compelling narrative. I think my first play session was something like 15 hours... because I couldn't put it down.

I was disappointed that I couldn't get the Quarians and Geth to kiss and play nice, and I thought that letting Legion upload the code was going to work to that end. When it didn't... Yeah, I rebooted my Xbox. But that was the only change that I made.

And who knew that rewriting the heretics instead of outright destroying them would bite me in the *** like that.
Author:  Sean [ Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:49 pm ]
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Not sure if this was posted in the other thread, but for anyone who isn't going to romance Tali:

Image
Author:  Talya [ Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:17 pm ]
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Nice that she's pretty, but weird that she looks so...human.
Author:  Sean [ Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:22 pm ]
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She's definitely the best either way!

I hooked up with Liara in ME1, then Tali in ME2, then friendzoned Liara in ME3 and hooked back up with Tali.

Then I went and put them in my party together.

Awkward conversation ensued.
Author:  Müs [ Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: ME: 3 [spoilers ahoy!]
Did someone say Awkward Party Conversation?

Try Tali and Legion ;)

I think my party of choice in 3 was Tali and EDI.
Author:  Raltar [ Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:56 pm ]
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I went with Garrus and Tali.
Author:  Midgen [ Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:11 pm ]
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Author:  Dalantia [ Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:28 am ]
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Sean wrote:
Shepard just accepting the bullshit fed to him/her by a retarded child ghost Anakin Skywalker makes no sense.


That's actually one of the things I have the least problem with.

My Shepard was at least talking and acting like he was starting to crack at about Thessia, if not before. Multiple references to being tired. Nasty survivor's guilt dreams. The burden of billions on his shoulders was starting to wear at him. At that point, he had been shot enough times to kill a small army, killed his mentor (granted via Illy's influence), argued the Illusive Man into suicide, and was probably dying at that point anyway.

I suspect Shepard was just too tired to really care at that point.
Author:  Caleria [ Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:59 pm ]
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I had around 5300 readiness rating, and a 95% Galaxy at War rating. I opted for the Destroy the Reapers ending. Mainly because I wanted to see if I could get the ending where it's implied that Shepard lives. I was able to see the scene where someone in N7 armor and with N7 dogtags lying in a pile of rubble suddenly gasps for air. But beyond that, I don't know. Aside from that small hope of Shepard's survival, I didn't really like that ending. Yes, I saved earth, and the galaxy at large, but the relays are gone, and the Normandy crew is stranded somewhere. Not exactly the happy ending I was hoping for.

Synthesis seems like a "happier" ending, because you don't kill EDI or the newly reformed Geth, but I don't like the fact that it makes everyone else a synthetic. WTF? How the hell is that different than becoming a reaper? I probably would have chosen this ending, if it didn't give Joker and the trees some green, glowy tech crap. I really didn't care for that at all.

Other thoughts:

My ME2 save where I romanced Tali was lost in a hard drive crash. I had since then re-played ME2 where I stayed faithful to Ash, so that was the save that I imported into ME3. The Ash romance was okay. Not great, but satisfying. But I nearly **** a brick when I went to talk to Garrus on the Normandy before the final battle and saw Tali and Garrus kissing. I have to admit I got a little jealous. Now I'm going to have to play through ME2 again with a Tali romance, and continue the romance in ME3. That's the one I'm most looking forward to. I'm also curious how Ash will react, since I romanced her in ME1 and then will be chosing Tali over her.
Author:  Raltar [ Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:06 pm ]
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Synthesis doesn't make everyone synthetic. IT makes all synthetics and organics a synthetic/organic hybrid.
Author:  Caleria [ Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:37 pm ]
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Raltar wrote:
Synthesis doesn't make everyone synthetic. IT makes all synthetics and organics a synthetic/organic hybrid.


And that is different from the Reapers.....how, exactly? Weren't they using the Collectors to harvest humans so they could make a synthetic/organic hybrid? I mean, who's to say that the Catalyst wasn't lying to Shepard, and that synthesis won't eventually "indoctrinate" everyone in the galaxy, now that they are all hybrids?

If all the synthesis ending did was allow organics and synthetics to live in harmony, then it would be fine. But making the entire galaxy a bunch of hybrids just doesn't sit right with me, and is entirely too similar to what the Reapers wanted to do in the first place.

Like I said, I loved the game, but none of the endings seems to fit quite right with the rest of the story, as established from the previous games.
Author:  Raltar [ Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:49 pm ]
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Because everyone still had their individuality after they were hybridized.

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If all the synthesis ending did was allow organics and synthetics to live in harmony


And it does. By making the synthetic vs. organic a non-issue. The reapers merely destroyed advanced organic life so that another great synthetic uprising doesn't happen because the synthetics would eventually wipe out all organic life, advanced or not. Reapers harvesting the advanced life gives them a sort of immortality(in the form of a reaper, though all individuality is lost) and it gives the rest of the organic life in the galaxy to have a chance at advancing. Now that there is no threat of there being a great snythetic uprising(because everything is part synthetic, part organic), the reapers have no purpose and left.

The main problem with the endings is the lack of an epilogue. If they had given some sort of explanation as to what actually happens, it would be a lot better. I'm mostly fine with the endings how they are, I just want to know what happens to my squad and the rest of the galaxy.
Author:  Caleria [ Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:59 pm ]
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Raltar wrote:
The main problem with the endings is the lack of an epilogue. If they had given some sort of explanation as to what actually happens, it would be a lot better. I'm mostly fine with the endings how they are, I just want to know what happens to my squad and the rest of the galaxy.


This is my main issue as well. You're kinda left guessing exactly what happens (or will happen) to everyone. Hopefully, this will be cleared up in some future DLC or something.
Author:  Midgen [ Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:47 pm ]
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Epilogues are $10 extra
Author:  Sean [ Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:32 am ]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 33tJx8iy0A Hitler finds out about Mass Effect 3's Ending
Author:  Müs [ Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:04 pm ]
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Caleria wrote:
Raltar wrote:
The main problem with the endings is the lack of an epilogue. If they had given some sort of explanation as to what actually happens, it would be a lot better. I'm mostly fine with the endings how they are, I just want to know what happens to my squad and the rest of the galaxy.


This is my main issue as well. You're kinda left guessing exactly what happens (or will happen) to everyone. Hopefully, this will be cleared up in some future DLC or something.


In my ending... I wasn't left guessing. Earth blew the **** up, and since all of my crew were on Earth... they all died.

However, no matter the ending, Galactic Civilization as we knew it is gone. Tens of thousands of aliens stranded in Earth Space, Quarians that will never see Rannoch again(just when they managed to take it back from the Geth), Salarians that have been given a death sentence(super short lifespan remember) before they can get home. Krogans that will probably starve to death... Yeah, its a real shitcake of an ending no matter how you slice it.
Author:  Lenas [ Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: ME: 3 [spoilers ahoy!]
I went the synth route. None of the relays get destroyed that way. Though, since being synthetic likely comes with great advantages like amazing intelligence and a much longer lifespan, I'm pretty sure they would be rebuilt pretty shortly even if they were destroyed. You know, if you ignore the fact that an exploding Mass Relay would destroy the entire system it's connected to, including anyone that could fix/rebuild them.

I wasn't happy with Shepard turning into Jesus, but the synthetic route was the one I had the least objection to.
Author:  Müs [ Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: ME: 3 [spoilers ahoy!]
Lenas wrote:
I went the synth route. None of the relays get destroyed that way.


Nope. They all blow the hell up here too. @ about 2:40 or so.

Author:  Lenas [ Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: ME: 3 [spoilers ahoy!]
Ah, right. Sorry, watched that at 3 am last night :p

Either way, point stands. Ignore the fact that exploding relays destroy systems, and synth life would be able to rebuild them pretty quickly IMO.

My biggest problem with part 3 is that Bioware doesn't really explain **** in cool ways. Yeah, you find out the Reaper's motivation, but they were made by God because organics cant get along with synthetics? Give me a break. Why does this Creator come out of nowhere? The Illusive Man was disappointing as well, far too predictable and he had no big reveal at the end.

The best "bad guy moment" throughout the entirety of Mass Effect is your dialogue with Sovereign on Virmire. It's a great scene, but typing that is depressing.
Author:  Müs [ Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: ME: 3 [spoilers ahoy!]
Lenas wrote:
Ah, right. Sorry, watched that at 3 am last night :p

Either way, point stands. Ignore the fact that exploding relays destroy systems, and synth life would be able to rebuild them pretty quickly IMO.

My biggest problem with part 3 is that Bioware doesn't really explain **** in cool ways. Yeah, you find out the Reaper's motivation, but they were made by God because organics cant get along with synthetics? Give me a break. Why does this Creator come out of nowhere? The Illusive Man was disappointing as well, far too predictable and he had no big reveal at the end.


Well yeah, that and the fact that noone knows how to build them. I mean the Protheans built one and they were at the absolute peak of their civilization, and had been studying them for as long as they knew about them.

There may be information on Ilos about it, but IIRC, that beacon shut down and that data was lost when that outpost blew up in ME1.

Just cause they're synthetic, doesn't mean they're all knowing now ;)

And I'm with ya on the "why" of all of it. Organics can't get along with Synthetics? BOOM! Quarians and Geth. They're friends now. Or didn't you know? Also. EDI. BOOM!. Now call off your goddamn squids or I will find your core and I'll spend the last ounce of life in this broke *** body pissing on you.
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