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Author:  Vindicarre [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:27 pm ]
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Courtesy of Lenas on Twitter:

Word is, NASA found new life: http://gizmo.do/i6xgtF

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Hours before their special news conference today, the cat is out of the bag: NASA has discovered a completely new life form that doesn't share the biological building blocks of anything currently living in planet Earth. This changes everything.

Author:  Lenas [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:33 pm ]
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I thought it was pretty exciting :)

Author:  Vindicarre [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:35 pm ]
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Damn straight!

Author:  Lex Luthor [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:59 pm ]
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I'm not sure what this has to do with National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I was hoping they found life on another planet.

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but this bacteria—discovered in the poisonous Mono Lake, California—

Author:  Lenas [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:11 pm ]
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Do you not understand how this could impact our search for life on other planets?

Is there an organization that should be more concerned with this discovery than NASA?

Author:  LadyKate [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:21 pm ]
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Lenas wrote:
Do you not understand how this could impact our search for life on other planets?


In a word? No.


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An important, and unintentional, consequence of ending the water diversions was the onset of a period of "meromixis" in Mono Lake.[10] In the time prior to this, Mono Lake was typically "monomictic"; which means that at least once each year the deeper waters and the shallower waters of the lake mixed thoroughly, thus bringing oxygen and other nutrients to the deep waters. In meromictic lakes, the deeper waters do not undergo this mixing; the deeper layers are more saline than the water near the surface, and are typically nearly devoid of oxygen. As a result, becoming meromictic greatly changes a lake's ecology.


How do we know that this isn't just some sort of adaptation/mutation?

Author:  Lenas [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:31 pm ]
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The point is that what we thought were the six essential building blocks of life are not what they seemed.

What else might we be wrong about? How else can life form? How should we change our criteria of an "inhabitable" planet?

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 ... forms.html
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Arsenic-bacteria have implications for possible extra-terrestrial life, too. "If life started in more than one manner on our planet, it would be very peculiar to believe that other places in the universe are not teeming with it," says Davies.

Author:  Lex Luthor [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:33 pm ]
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Lenas wrote:
The point is that what we thought were the six essential building blocks of life are not what they seemed.


Correct, now they are instead "the six essential building blocks of multi-cellular life". And this new life form might not even have cells, I don't think they disclosed it.

Author:  Lenas [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:35 pm ]
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Bacteria by definition is single-cell. Life has to start somewhere though, Lex. If you believe in evolution, who can say that these arsenic bacteria might not join our ranks in a few million years?

Author:  LadyKate [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:38 pm ]
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Hmmmm....how would one get rid of a bacterial infection that spawned from some of these bad boys altered in a lab somewhere?
Hahaha, the article read like the beginning of a horror novel where the ending is that the entire planet is wiped out in less than a month or something after the discovery of this bacteria. :D

I'm definitely interested to know more. Is this all the have so far? Its such a tease.

Author:  Lex Luthor [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:43 pm ]
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/03/scien ... .html?_r=1

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"The bacterium, scraped from the bottom of Mono Lake in California and grown for months in a lab mixture containing arsenic, gradually swapped out atoms of phosphorus in its little body for atoms of arsenic."


So basically, we were able to engineer new life from existing life. That's very cool, but still a little disappointing.

Author:  NephyrS [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:42 pm ]
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Interesting, not hugely surprising.

Arsenic and Phosphorus have very similar properties. Very similar size, reactivity, etc. Heck, you can even swap out P for As in molecular phosphorous (P4, white phosphorous) and then use it as a building block for almost any phosphorous compound we know of, with As substituting in 1/4th of the time.

Biochemists already routinely use heavy atom swaps in DNA as labeling, we know the structures still work. It's not that far of a leap to assume that in an environment with one atom over another, the more abundant atom becomes predominant over time.

Author:  Numbuk [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:00 pm ]
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"uses the poisonous arsenic for its building blocks"

So, given enough time to evolve.....


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Actually, I do find it interesting and exciting. Scientists have speculated about life forms that could exist in environments that would be toxic to any carbon-based life form (you should see some of the ideas they had for theoretical life on Jupiter), but this certainly proves that life can exist beyond what we thought was possible.

Author:  Lex Luthor [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:13 pm ]
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Numbuk wrote:
"uses the poisonous arsenic for its building blocks"

So, given enough time to evolve.....


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Actually, I do find it interesting and exciting. Scientists have speculated about life forms that could exist in environments that would be toxic to any carbon-based life form (you should see some of the ideas they had for theoretical life on Jupiter), but this certainly proves that life can exist beyond what we thought was possible.


Only if it came from a carbon-based form originally.

Author:  NephyrS [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:08 pm ]
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And is still a carbon based life-form.

This is really no different than the numerous bacteria that survive on Sulfur instead of Oxygen.

Author:  Lenas [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:25 pm ]
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Changing the molecular makeup of an organism and having it survive is a little different than said organism being able to process/convert nutrients.

Author:  NephyrS [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:37 pm ]
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Not really.

Bacteria that "survive" off of Sulfur also incorporate it into their chemical makeup as other bacteria would incorporate oxygen.

Nitrogenous bacteria make use of a different molecular makeup as well.

That said, As and P are probably two of the only elements that are so alike that one can be swapped for the other with next to no changes in the overall structure and reactivity of the molecule that contains them.

Author:  Screeling [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:25 am ]
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Is this because they're in the same group and have a reasonably close e-negativity to each other?

And unrelated to my question:
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Author:  TheRiov [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:36 am ]
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still holding out for silicon based life

Author:  LadyKate [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:41 am ]
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TheRiov wrote:
still holding out for silicon based life


I think these have a life of their own:

Spoiler:
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Author:  TheRiov [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:10 am ]
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thats Silicone lol

Author:  NephyrS [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:50 am ]
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Screeling wrote:
Is this because they're in the same group and have a reasonably close e-negativity to each other?


And the same size, same normal bonding patterns (due to the same valence shell composition *number not row*), and the same normal native allotrope formations.

Author:  LadyKate [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:25 pm ]
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TheRiov wrote:
thats Silicone lol


Oh yeah. Heh. My bad. :)

Author:  Hokanu [ Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:31 am ]
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The Devil in the Dark

Author:  Screeling [ Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:57 am ]
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People are now starting to say their experiments really sucked and they don't really prove anything.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/09/nasa ... based-det/

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