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In 2008, Apple CEO Steve Jobs made headlines when he called Blu-ray “a bag of hurt.”

At the time, Jobs said: "Blu-ray is just a bag of hurt. It’s great to watch the movies, but the licensing of the tech is so complex, we’re waiting till things settle down and Blu-ray takes off in the marketplace."

Two years later, Blu-ray has become more mainstream, but Steve Jobs seems to have the same distaste for the HD format.

A MacRumors reader sent an email to Jobs asking about the future of Blu-ray on Mac computers.

Reads his response: "Blu-ray is looking more and more like one of the high end audio formats that appeared as the successor to the CD – like it will be beaten by Internet downloadable formats."

The reader then responded saying that while he agreed downloadable formats would win out in the end, short term and medium term benefits were significant, including using Blu-ray for backups and for HD video.

Jobs final response: "The downloadable movie business is rapidly moving to free (Hulu) or rentals (iTunes) so storing purchased movies or TV shows is not an issue. think you may be wrong – we may see a fast broad move to streamed free and rental content at sufficient quality (at least 720p) to win almost everyone over."

Eventually. Because of the other features they have not because of a need for higher quality movies. Maybe I'll just wait and see if they drop ps3s any further end of the year.

Rorinthas wrote:

Eventually. Because of the other features they have not because of a need for higher quality movies. Maybe I'll just wait and see if they drop ps3s any further end of the year.

What features? Also why don't you prefer the convenience of streaming your movies from online? I just cannot see the reason for buying physical media, waiting for it to be shipped, etc.

Talya wrote:

PS3.

The PS3 is over 4 years old... waste of money in my opinion. Especially if a new console comes out in 2 years. It'll be really funny if none of the new consoles have blu-ray players.

It's not perfect (mostly thanks to Sony's hamfisted media DRM implementations), but it is the most complete of the consoles out right now.

You can buy a decent blu-ray player for $129 (or less).

They do other things besides just play movies (netflix/hulu/blockbuster apps, etc...)

Talya wrote:

It's not perfect (mostly thanks to Sony's hamfisted media DRM implementations), but it is the most complete of the consoles out right now.

And will continue to be so, now that we have the ability to create custom firmwares.

Author:	Lex Luthor [ Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:55 pm ]
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I personally won't. Waste of money. I highly value the convenience of downloading or streaming video, even if there is a loss in quality which will improve eventually anyways. http://www.emailsfromstevejobs.com/2010 ... t-on-imac/ Quote: In 2008, Apple CEO Steve Jobs made headlines when he called Blu-ray “a bag of hurt.” At the time, Jobs said: "Blu-ray is just a bag of hurt. It’s great to watch the movies, but the licensing of the tech is so complex, we’re waiting till things settle down and Blu-ray takes off in the marketplace." Two years later, Blu-ray has become more mainstream, but Steve Jobs seems to have the same distaste for the HD format. A MacRumors reader sent an email to Jobs asking about the future of Blu-ray on Mac computers. Reads his response: "Blu-ray is looking more and more like one of the high end audio formats that appeared as the successor to the CD – like it will be beaten by Internet downloadable formats." The reader then responded saying that while he agreed downloadable formats would win out in the end, short term and medium term benefits were significant, including using Blu-ray for backups and for HD video. Jobs final response: "The downloadable movie business is rapidly moving to free (Hulu) or rentals (iTunes) so storing purchased movies or TV shows is not an issue. think you may be wrong – we may see a fast broad move to streamed free and rental content at sufficient quality (at least 720p) to win almost everyone over."

Author:	FarSky [ Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:14 pm ]
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Hmm. Buy a 720p movie for $19.99, or pay the exact same price for a disc with 1080p video, lossless audio, AND have an attractive hard copy to be displayed in my collection? Pull your head out of your *** on this, Jobs. Compressed 720p is fine for the cheap seats, but there's little point in paying for the lack of quality. Also, if I want to watch a movie, I don't want my collection dependent on my Internet connection.

Author:	Rorinthas [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:07 am ]
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Eventually. Because of the other features they have not because of a need for higher quality movies. Maybe I'll just wait and see if they drop ps3s any further end of the year. I've never been an image/sound quality buff though. I don't even have an HDTV.

Author:	Lex Luthor [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:10 am ]
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Rorinthas wrote: Eventually. Because of the other features they have not because of a need for higher quality movies. Maybe I'll just wait and see if they drop ps3s any further end of the year. What features? Also why don't you prefer the convenience of streaming your movies from online? I just cannot see the reason for buying physical media, waiting for it to be shipped, etc. Also eventually you'll want it stored on a drive anyways.

Author:	Rorinthas [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:12 am ]
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Lex Luthor wrote: Rorinthas wrote: Eventually. Because of the other features they have not because of a need for higher quality movies. Maybe I'll just wait and see if they drop ps3s any further end of the year. What features? Also why don't you prefer the convenience of streaming your movies from online? I just cannot see the reason for buying physical media, waiting for it to be shipped, etc. The ability to stream that content to my TV (which is larger than my monitor and in front of my couch). If I'm going to invest in a streaming media box I might as well get one that plays discs too.

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Author:	Talya [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:34 am ]
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PS3.

Author:	Screeling [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:40 am ]
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I swear Steve Jobs needs to be socked in a ball.

Author:	Rorinthas [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:05 am ]
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Talya wrote: PS3. Probably. I'm just vision casting on the whole thing right now anyway.

Author:	Lex Luthor [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:14 am ]
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Talya wrote: PS3. The PS3 is over 4 years old... waste of money in my opinion. Especially if a new console comes out in 2 years. It'll be really funny if none of the new consoles have blu-ray players.

Author:	Talya [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:41 am ]
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Lex Luthor wrote: Talya wrote: PS3. The PS3 is over 4 years old... waste of money in my opinion. Especially if a new console comes out in 2 years. It'll be really funny if none of the new consoles have blu-ray players. Depends on the size of your movie collection. I wouldn't have bought the PS3 as just a game console, or as just a blu-ray player. But the fact that it has the absolute best HD upscaling for my reasonably-sized DVD collection (and yes, the upscaling makes a huge difference. It's actually hard to tell the difference between a DVD upscalled by the PS3 and streaming netflix quality...while watching a DVD on any other blu-ray player absolutely sucks) has made it very worthwhile, especially as the price continues to drop. (Of course, I got mine for just over $100, new in the box. You're not likely to find that through normal channels.) It's not perfect (mostly thanks to Sony's hamfisted media DRM implementations), but it is the most complete of the consoles out right now.

Author:	Sasandra [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:19 am ]
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I did 3 years ago, my PS3, and I did buy it specifically for Blu-ray, didn't even own a game for months, compressed lower quality digital copies are fine if it's a rental Netflix type thing, otherwise I want physical media, if I want to bring a movie to someone else's house it's easy with with a disc, the quality is much better, I get all the extra stuff, cut scenes, outtakes, making of, etc which I do watch, and a lot of Blu-rays are coming with the triple format option anyways, blu-ray, DVD and digital copy for when you just want the movie on the go on your laptop and don't need the extra features. Maybe some day if they quality of the digital copies get much better, they include all the extras, they are drm free and they are a good 30-50% cheaper then i'll switch over to buying digital like I did with music, but atm, nope, digital movie products are far to lacking to be worth while. Plus I like having my bookshelves full of discs.

Author:	Lenas [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:37 pm ]
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Lex Luthor wrote: The PS3 is over 4 years old... waste of money in my opinion. Especially if a new console comes out in 2 years. It'll be really funny if none of the new consoles have blu-ray players. Why does a PS3 have to be an investment? $299 is not unreasonable for two years of entertainment. Talya wrote: It's not perfect (mostly thanks to Sony's hamfisted media DRM implementations), but it is the most complete of the consoles out right now. And will continue to be so, now that we have the ability to create custom firmwares.

Author:	Midgen [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:39 pm ]
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You can buy a decent blu-ray player for $129 (or less). They do other things besides just play movies (netflix/hulu/blockbuster apps, etc...)

Author:	FarSky [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:12 pm ]
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I picked up a couple of Magnavox Blu-ray players last year at Walmart for $70/each. One for our bedroom, one for my parents. We have a PS3 in the den.

Author:	Midgen [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:59 pm ]
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NephyrS, I just went to costco and grabbed a Samsung for $129. I don't recall which specific model it was, but almost all of them come with various network apps built in. Of course this will mean you will need to run cat5 to the device (unless you want to pay extra for one with built-in wireless).... Note: It's almost a must for them to be network connected (even if you don't use the network apps), because they require such frequent firmware updates to support the horrendous, always changing DRM that these discs use.

Author:	NephyrS [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:08 pm ]
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It'll be set up on my computer desk (where my nice, big monitor is), so a wired connection isn't a problem. Does the Samsung work with Hulu+ do you know? I see of players that work with Netflix but not Hulu. ::edit:: Is this the one you got, by any chance?

Author:	Midgen [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:13 pm ]
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I don't recall specifically. It's over at my sisters, so I wouldn't be able to check it until this weekend at the soonest. Here is a link to Samsung's "App Store". http://www.samsung.com/us/appstore Some models do have the hulu plus app, some dont (according to that list), although I would think that a firmware update would take care of it.

Author:	Midgen [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:40 pm ]
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Nephyr, I would confirm this finding. I've found that samsung's website is not terribly accurate for things like this (for example, the specs for the Galaxy S car dock I bought from them say it's not compatible with the very phone it was designed for - I bought it and it works just fine). Hulu plus seems like it should be part of a core set of apps to me.

Author:	NephyrS [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:48 pm ]
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Midgen wrote: You can buy a decent blu-ray player for $129 (or less). They do other things besides just play movies (netflix/hulu/blockbuster apps, etc...) Speaking of which, does anyone know of a good Blu-ray player with Netflix/Hulu apps? I want something on the less expensive end to be able to use to stream video with Netflix/Hulu+ and play our DVDs... Seems like a lot of the reviews are pretty bad on one end or the other, I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't just get a Roku and a cheap DVD player and put in a switch... Any thoughts? ::edit:: The Sony s570 looked promising (~$150), but lots of reviews saying it had real problems with Netflix streaming- even on a wired connection. Not that I get great picture quality anyway, with a 1.9-3 mbps connection, but...

Author:	Aethien [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:25 pm ]
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Heh, I just picked up a networked LG Blu-Ray player last month ... at the grocery store. My wife wanted us to get another one for the second TV, and it was cheap and networked. Figured it couldn't hurt. Given that I've just started using Netflix in the past month, and just got a PS2 for Christmas, I'm a bit behind the curve. I'm also the old-man demographic who's always going to prefer physical media to streaming ether-stuff. Besides, I made a list of 20 movies from my childhood that I wanted to see, and 16 or 17 of them weren't available for instant play, and I refuse to pay anything more than a flat fee to do so.

Author:	NephyrS [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:26 pm ]
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Yeah, so according to that link you can't play Hulu until you get to the C6900 or above... And since they're ~250$, I might as well go ahead and get a PS3 at that point. It's seeming like that might just be the best option for Streaming/DVDs- doesn't have the hardware issues that the 360 has, and doesn't require a paid subscription (Xbox live) to access Netflix or Hulu.

Author:	NephyrS [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:49 pm ]
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Actually, Sony's page was the confirmation. The Hulu forums are littered with complaints that while Sony advertises Hulu availability on all their models, only 2 of them actually have the app available. Not sure if there's some backend problem, but with people saying they can't find the App (on both the Hulu forums and the Samsung support thread for the C5500) and it not listed on the website, I'm going to assume it's a work in progress, at best. I don't mind paying a bit more for reliability, and if the PS3 is the most reliable disc/streaming player, then I'm willing to shell out the extra cash- same reason I'm looking more towards the PS3 than the 360.

Author:	Shelgeyr [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:16 pm ]
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A few months ago, I picked up an LG Blu-Ray player with wireless networking that came with Netflix and YouTube apps pre-installed and I've been quite happy with it. My only complaint is that it periodically loses connection with my home network, but clears up as soon as I reset my router.

Author:	Talya [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:36 pm ]
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Lenas wrote: Talya wrote: It's not perfect (mostly thanks to Sony's hamfisted media DRM implementations), but it is the most complete of the consoles out right now. And will continue to be so, now that we have the ability to create custom firmwares. This sounds neat, but I've never looked into it. What does this custom firmware enable? What does it disable? How can I find it? (A quick google search turned up nothing current.)

Author:	Lenas [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:38 pm ]
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Custom firmware is a recent development and will be the encapsulation of any homebrew made for the PS3. I imagine someone will create libraries for mkv support as well as other media, and a port of XMBC to the PS3 would not surprise me. Also possible is re-emergence of PS2 emulation (OtherOS has already been reactivated), as well as ports of older console emulation programs. The first signed homebrew app (simple, just displays a "Hello World") literally just hit the internet this morning. It is runnable on any PS3 in the world without a need to hack. This is possible thanks to Sony's epic security fail. Basically, the PS3 just went the way of the PSP.

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