GUIs were created to allow us to open more than one Xterm at once
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Windows 8 interface (Microsoft video demonstration) |
I don't know. I have mixed feelings about this. edit: I actually really like how you can switch between the new mode and the classic Windows mode. I could see myself really liking this. |
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| Author: | Lenas [ Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:12 pm ] |
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I have a huge nerd boner over this. |
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| Author: | darksiege [ Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:18 pm ] |
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they just f**king made windows 7, rat bastards. |
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| Author: | Raltar [ Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:34 pm ] |
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If I can still use a mouse instead of a touch screen I don't really care either way. |
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| Author: | Midgen [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:59 am ] |
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Windows 8 is designed from the ground up to be tablet friendly, which is why there is so much emphasis on touch screen.... |
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| Author: | Khross [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Windows 8 interface (Microsoft video demonstration) |
... CLI4EVA |
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| Author: | Numbuk [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Windows 8 interface (Microsoft video demonstration) |
scp /somedirectory/subdirectory/anotherdirectory/superlongfilename.txt.gz username@reallylongdomainname.domainnameaswell.com:/heresanotherdirectoryname/andanotherdirectoryname/subdirectoryupthewazoo/superlongfilename.txt.gz -- then type in password That will never be as fast as me clicking, dragging and dropping. |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:40 am ] |
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You could type "history" and grab the file name from there, assuming you manually downloaded/transferred it recently with the CLI, and then paste it into the prompt pretty easily. I still much prefer the Windows GUI for unzipping things though. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Windows 8 interface (Microsoft video demonstration) |
Yeah, people tell me that all the time, Numbuk ... And, yet, for some reason the diehard CLI adherents are faster and better with computers than the people who swear up and down they need additional layers of abstraction to interface with their machine. |
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| Author: | Midgen [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:51 am ] |
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BS Most people who are proficient with CLI, are also smart enough to know when not to use it (and are proficient with their favorite GUI as well)... |
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| Author: | Khross [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Windows 8 interface (Microsoft video demonstration) |
Except it's not ... |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:58 am ] |
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For unzipping a single file, CLI is better for slow computers that open windows slowly, or for low resolution screens. Otherwise I much prefer right-click+unzip to new directory. Linux is pretty slow with anything graphical in general, so CLI is probably always better there. |
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| Author: | Darkroland [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Windows 8 interface (Microsoft video demonstration) |
Kind of the expected evolution, with tablets blowing up, but it definitely looked responsive even at this early stage. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Windows 8 interface (Microsoft video demonstration) |
... Linux isn't slow with graphics. Holy hell ... Damn heretics. INBFTORTemacs |
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| Author: | Numbuk [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Windows 8 interface (Microsoft video demonstration) |
Khross wrote: Yeah, people tell me that all the time, Numbuk ... And, yet, for some reason the diehard CLI adherents are faster and better with computers than the people who swear up and down they need additional layers of abstraction to interface with their machine. Not sure if you can make such a blanket statement. I like CLI. I was extremely slow to move away from it and to a GUI. But, with all my knowledge of windows hotkey shortcuts, shift/CTRL clicks and right clicks, there is just far too many things I can do in a fraction of the time it takes someone to do the same thing in a CLI. CLI is great for a lot of things. But I wouldn't say it's great for all things. For some things it's just simpler and faster to do in a CLI. If you want to move all files that contain the string PLS somewhere in the file name, for example. You'd spend more time setting up a search/sort in the GUI and then moving the files than you would just typing it out with wildcards in a CLI. But things like that I find few and far between. |
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| Author: | Lenas [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:37 pm ] |
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There's a reason the GUI exists. It wasn't created to make things harder or make people slower. |
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| Author: | Mookhow [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Windows 8 interface (Microsoft video demonstration) |
GUIs were created to allow us to open more than one Xterm at once
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| Author: | Stathol [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:56 pm ] |
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I'm not trying to say anything about CLI vs. GUI in general, but with respect to your scp example, your problem is mainly that you aren't set up for efficient SSH usage. 1) Create per-host settings in ~/.ssh/config 2) Use a SSH key agent like keychain 3) Get good tab completion scripts for bash (I know both Debian and Ubuntu have good scripts for ssh, scp, etc. -- other distros may too) Using keychain, you only need to provide SSH key passwords once per login session, or even once per system boot, if you'd like. Once you've unlocked the keys, bash can tab-complete host names and directories, even on the remote side. At that point, it's no more cumbersome than local cp. SSH agent forwarding is also pretty rad, but only really useful if you do a lot of SSH-within-SSH. |
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| Author: | Numbuk [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 2:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Windows 8 interface (Microsoft video demonstration) |
I love tab completion. But my example exists because you can't tab-complete (as far as I know) directories on a remote system you are preemptively typing the scp command for. If you copy files there often, sure, save it in some key or macro form. But if this is your first/only time sending this file? With a graphic interface, once your'e connected it's just a matter of clicking on folders. But even with full tab-completion on both ends, I'd still argue that I could still get the same result in the same time through a GUI. |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 2:16 pm ] |
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Lenas wrote: There's a reason the GUI exists. It wasn't created to make things harder or make people slower. Correct, it was created to make the machine more usable by people who don't know a big list of commands. Khross's statement is ultimately correct, but not because of any inherent superiority of the command-line interface. Rather, as Midgen points out, users who are fully proficient with CLI are also highly proficient with a GUI, and generally speaking, are more proficient with the machine overall.
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| Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:19 pm ] |
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Not to mention, doing some simple scripts for batch jobs is way easier and faster in a CLI than anything you'd do in a GUI. The thing that concerns me about this tablet-friendly interface is that I'm not sure I'm keen on the direction it seems to want to push applications. In order for the thumbnails to contain anything useful, it's essentially running a lot of background processes. And that gets me hissing like an angry cat. I mean, think for a second about what this is really doing. It's turning everything into Windows Sidebar widgets. So let's take the least successful and least popular feature of Vista and 7, and design a PC OS around it. Really? |
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| Author: | Midgen [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:23 pm ] |
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Ideally, one of the tiles needs to be, "Disable all background processes and launch {somegame}.exe" |
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| Author: | darksiege [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:32 pm ] |
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isn't it time for another "oops, our bad" OS?: 95- depends on which release of 95 you refer to. 98- good Me- considered bad XP- still awesome Vista- Considered bad 7- Awesome 8- I am preemptively calling it bad whatever is next- awesome. |
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| Author: | Lenas [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:58 pm ] |
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What about the OS that you've seen so far makes you think "bad"? The fact that it's touch-based? The visual style? Are you scared you wont be able to work as quickly? I assure you, Alt Tab will remain and mice will be just as slow as they've ever been. Know what the best thing about Windows 8 is? It's the first real interface departure we've made from Windows 3.0. |
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| Author: | Lex Luthor [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:06 pm ] |
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I'm wondering if I should hold off and get a Windows 8 pad. I don't have any right now. |
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