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IT seems Pete Townshend doesn't like ITunes either
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Author:  Midgen [ Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:03 am ]
Post subject:  IT seems Pete Townshend doesn't like ITunes either

I see his point...

http://news.yahoo.com/pete-townshend-br ... 07166.html

Yahoo News wrote:
LONDON (AP) — The Who's Pete Townshend on Monday branded Apple Inc.'s iTunes a "digital vampire" that profits from music without supporting the artists who create it.

Townshend said that faced with the Internet's demolition of established copyright protections, iTunes should offer some of the services to artists that record labels and music publishers used to provide. These include employing talents scouts, giving space to allow bands to stream their music and paying smaller artists directly rather than through a third party aggregator.

The guitarist was delivering the first John Peel Lecture, named in honor of the influential British radio broadcaster who died in 2004.

Townshend asked if there was any reason iTunes "can't provide some aspect of these services to the artists whose work it bleeds like a digital vampire" to make money.

ITunes declined to respond to Townshend's comments.

Apple's service is the market leader among legal download services, accounting for about three-quarters of music downloads.

Townshend said consumers, as well as the industry, needed to change their attitude to digital music.

"It would be better if music lovers treated music like food, and paid for every helping, rather than only when it suited them," he said.

"Why can't music lovers just pay for music rather than steal it?" he said.

Author:  Rorinthas [ Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:44 am ]
Post subject:  IT seems Pete Townshend doesn't like ITunes either

I thought iTunes was paying for music rather than stealing it.

Author:  FarSky [ Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:02 am ]
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I think he's switched topics by the latter paragraph, no longer referring to iTunes but rather talking about consumers' attitudes toward paying for music when they want and pirating when they don't. Poorly-written article is poorly written.

And going back to his iTunes "points," I rather don't understand what he's carping about. He says that iTunes should offer services to artists that record labels and music publishers used to provide. But record labels and music publishers still exist, and they still serve the same purposes they've always served. iTunes is just a distribution outlet, like brick and mortar stores were before it. I can't see where you'd ask Walmart or Target to "employ talent scouts, give space to allow bands to stream their music, or pay smaller artists directly rather than through a third party aggregator."

Author:  Corolinth [ Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:09 am ]
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I think he's got iTunes confused with bittorrent, because iTunes is in all respects a "record store" just like The Who used to sell all of their albums at. You can buy a full album off of iTunes, and doing so even counts towards certifying that album gold or platinum. It is, in all respects, a full album sale, except that you have less overhead due to not having to pay for a CD, packaging, or shipping.

Musicians got by just fine when record stores weren't hiring talent scouts. When Walmart started selling music, but didn't hire talent scouts, musicians somehow mysteriously managed. Now that Apple is selling music but not filling any of the roles of a record label, musicians appear to be doing better than ever as far as sales and revenue.

So basically, it's a poorly written article about the opinions a guy who doesn't know what the **** he's talking about, but still matters because he is/was the lead guitarist of The Who.

Author:  Müs [ Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:27 am ]
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Yeah, changing times didn't go well for these fellas either.

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Author:  shuyung [ Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:00 am ]
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Disclaimer: Only read the quote in the OP.

So there's a couple way to take Pete's comments. First way, of course, is that he might be a few guitars short of a concert, and is ignorant of the industry, to boot. I'm not entirely certain that's the case. If we take it to mean that he views the record labels as ineffectual in today's digital marketplace, and also in discovering and developing new talent, then somebody needs to step into the void -- he's got a point. If we encourage an entity that has proven they understand today's distribution methods to take on the added duties of a full-blown record label, they couldn't do worse. Of course, Apple Computer would probably have to purchase in full Apple Records, or else there'll be a(nother) lawsuit.

Author:  Corolinth [ Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:16 am ]
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The words he's chosen to describe iTunes suggests the former.

Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:13 am ]
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FarSky wrote:
I think he's switched topics by the latter paragraph, no longer referring to iTunes but rather talking about consumers' attitudes toward paying for music when they want and pirating when they don't. Poorly-written article is poorly written.

And going back to his iTunes "points," I rather don't understand what he's carping about. He says that iTunes should offer services to artists that record labels and music publishers used to provide. But record labels and music publishers still exist, and they still serve the same purposes they've always served. iTunes is just a distribution outlet, like brick and mortar stores were before it. I can't see where you'd ask Walmart or Target to "employ talent scouts, give space to allow bands to stream their music, or pay smaller artists directly rather than through a third party aggregator."

Actually, it's my understanding that iTunes is targeting small acts and individuals, marketing iTunes itself as a complete direct distribution model that will take care of the distribution infrastructure/architecture, transaction payments, etc.. In which case, it's advertising itself as a replacement for many of the direct benefits and responsibilities of record labels. While offering none of the indirect benefits of talent scouting, marketting, etc.

I suspect that Townshend is upset at the margin they're making given they are not providing any of the most expensive parts of a traditional record label's actions on the behalf of their signed artists.

Edit: Okay, did a little digging, and added the link on Apple's site. I didn't scan over the application in detail, but it looks like all you need is some tax information to give them, and a source with which to register your songs and albums for the correct metadata identification formats (UPCs for albums, some other format for songs).

I can't speak to how aggressively they're targetting this market segment, but they are certainly offering the service and making it pretty "easy" to interface with them to use it.

Author:  Corolinth [ Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:04 pm ]
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Yet, record labels still exist. It appears as though Apple's complete distribution is geared toward people that the record labels' talent scouts are missing.

Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:14 pm ]
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Corolinth wrote:
Yet, record labels still exist. It appears as though Apple's complete distribution is geared toward people that the record labels' talent scouts are missing.

I agree. Townshend's assertion is (I imagine) that those people are then being underserved (or perhaps overcharged) by Apple.

Author:  FarSky [ Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:18 pm ]
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http://gizmodo.com/5855187/pete-townshe ... al-vampire
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That's quite an accusation from the rock deity. The BBC says his main beef is the New Music Industry's lack of "support" for new acts, which apparently need to be nurtured and were treated like bouncy grinning children in the old days: "Is there really any good reason why, just because iTunes exists in the wild west internet land of Facebook and Twitter, it can't provide some aspect of these services to the artists whose work it bleeds like a digital vampire, like a digital Northern Rock, for its enormous commission?"

Digital vampire! Townshend says Apple should hire a fulltime staff to coach and advise young artists before taking a cut of their earnings. Which sounds nice, yes, but is a total pipe dream. And moreover, doesn't it really defeat the purpose of the 21st century music industry's dropped-bottom floor? Profits have collapsed, but so has the front door—"making it" is easier thanks to online distribution. Sociopath rap phenom Tyler, The Creator was just a kid from California before his debut release hit #3 on iTunes' top albums. Anecdotal, sure, but the notion that iTunes (or any other MP3 store, for that matter) is somehow more exploitative than the record industry old guard is silly. The kiddos can take care of themselves quite fine—and if they can't, being able to sell their music through one of the few viable digital outlets sure isn't the problem.

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