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http://rstoeber.com/apps/Google_Voice_Utility.html




Why no longer avarabru?


Anyone know of a google voice application for windows?

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Not offhand, but can't you just use Fluid to "make" one out of the Google Voice page? I haven't tried, but I'd assume all the functionality should be there.

That's Mac

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Huh. I figured there was a Windows version too. Chrome has the functionality. Oh well.

Edit: https://mozillalabs.com/prism

Fake edit: http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/t ... hrome.html

Google no longer has the desktop search app as well. They are moving away from these sorts of programs because they kinda compete with their web services (I think this is why). Desktop apps keep people off the Internet.

It's amusing that you work for Cisco, and even you screw up where the Internet begins and ends.

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You keep using that word...

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Heh, it was a fake edit, then I went back and removed a redundant "too" in the main part of the post.

It keeps people off the 'World Wide Web' then, happy?

Dude, he programs routers or something. Layer 4 and up is a mystical land of magic that he doesn't have to care about.

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Layer 2 and up is someone else's job.

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You run cable?

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Well if the rumors are true, he lays a lot of pipe...

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For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

I could have my layers backwards, as we don't really use that terminology. My understanding of layer 1 is the physical circuitry before it gets put into a plastic case.

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Such a concept does not compute.

There's an industry standard model (well, two, actually, but I don't think anybody important actually uses the 4-layer TCP/IP model) called the OSI model. It has 7 layers, going from 1 (physical) to 7 (application).

Layer 3, the network layer, of the OSI model is where all routing takes place, and is the layer at which hardware deals with IP packets. Layer 4, the transport layer, is the layer at which TCP (or UDP) functions, and is concerned with end-to-end connections are established and error-checked.

Although, if I remove my tongue from my cheek, I suppose that, IIRC, Lex programs something to do with DHCP, and thus is not dealing with layer 3 **** (exclusively, at least).

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Sure it does. "The design of the internal components for my Macbook Air is somebody else's job."

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It depends on which model you're using.

Kaffis beat me to the punch while I was editing, but to add some more specifics:

Per OSI, Layer 1 is the physical signaling layer only, while Layer 2 is the "data link" layer. So if you have an Ethernet-over-foo device, the logical Ethernet aspects are Layer 2, while the "foo" part of it is Layer 1.

By the TCP/IP model, Layer 1 is essentially Layer 1 + Layer 2 of the OSI model.

I don't know exactly what Lex does other than coding, so my assumption is that he probably isn't dealing with anything on OSI Layer 1 at all, and probably only deals with OSI Layer 2 with respect to some interactions with Layer 3 (network, i.e. IP/ICMP mainly). A modern stateful router with NAT support, etc. is going to have some interaction/awareness up to at least OSI Layer 5, and even all the way up to OSI Layer 7 in the case some troublesome protocols (ex. FTP through NATing/Firewalling router).

There's not really a clear boundary between hardware and software in either model. In practice, most network devices tend to implement OSI layer 1 and 2 mostly in hardware, while 3 and up will be mostly software. But there are weird exceptions like TCP checksum offloading -- a layer 5 task which is commonly hardware-assisted for performance reasons.

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Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;
For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,
And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

That's not a question within the internal workings of a single company. You've seen how we work.

I work on a glorified subscriber management system centered around DHCP and PPPoE, I don't think it's really a layer.

I am aware of networking layers as a conceptual model used by a branch of engineering that is tangentially related to my own, but that's really the extent of my familiarity.

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PPPoE is a layer 2 function. DHCP is layer 7.

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Perhaps I can clarify with pictures.

What you see:

What I see:


I have to use a power supply, because it's not really very easy to find an actual router's circuit diagram on a Google image search.

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Wow.. who knew.. 'Schematic Vision'.. some kind of new super power?

Looking for a circuit diagram of a router is like looking for a circuit diagram of an Xbox. Both are variants of computers, unlike a power supply.