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Motorola/Apple Judge Posts "Too Many Patents"
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Author:  Numbuk [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:10 pm ]
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Pretty interesting read, especially since it was written by the man who threw out the Motorola/Apple lawsuit case. Personally, I see Apple as Tonya Harding.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/arc ... ca/259725/
Author:  Leshani [ Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:22 pm ]
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Patent abuse falls in line with GTE Flip phone patent filed in 1970s.
A concept idea from a television series several years prior to the patent being filed.
Author:  FarSky [ Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:01 pm ]
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If you wonder why companies file a bunch of aggressive patent claims, here's why: Google is claiming that Apple inventions are now "commercially essential," and should be taken away and made into standards.

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Google’s view is that just as there are patents that are standard essential, there are also patents that are commercially essential — patents that cover features that are so popular as to have become ubiquitous. The latter are just as ripe for abuse as the former, and withholding them is just as harmful to consumers and the competitive marketplace. Viewed through that lens, multitouch technology or slide-to-unlock might be treated the same way as an industry standard patent on, say, a smartphone radio.

Apple strongly disagrees. Bruce Sewell, Apple's top lawyer, writes a rebuttal letter to the committee, saying in part, that simply because a "proprietary technology becomes quite popular does not transform it into a ‘standard’ subject to the same legal constraints as true standards."
Author:  Midgen [ Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:44 pm ]
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I wonder if these two headlines are related?
dailytech.com wrote:
Apple iPhones Outsold by Samsung 2-to-1 in Q2, Profit Suffers


dailytech.com wrote:
Apple demands $2.5B USD from Samsung -- plus complete sales ban on most of its smartphones/tablets..
Author:  Hopwin [ Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:49 pm ]
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So Apple won their patent trolling against HTC and is on the cusp of chasing Samsung out of the market.
Author:  Müs [ Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:07 pm ]
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Hopwin wrote:
So Apple won their patent trolling against HTC and is on the cusp of chasing Samsung out of the market.


**** Apple.
Author:  Lenas [ Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:22 pm ]
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Yeah! **** Apple for having those damn judges uphold patents!
Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:46 pm ]
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Nah, **** Apple For Claiming "Rectangular with Rounded Corners" is a valid and enforceable trade dress.
Author:  Lenas [ Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:54 pm ]
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These stipulations are pretty specific:

- the front surface of the product dominated by a screen surface with black borders;
- as to the iPhone and iPod touch products, substantial black borders above, and below the screen having roughly equal width and narrower black borders on either side of the screen having roughly equal width;

Seems to me it's less about the rounded corners and more about everything, down to the screen bezel, being the god-damn same.
Author:  Midgen [ Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:56 pm ]
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uhm.. sorry Lenas, that's NOT specific at all. In fact, I think that you just described every TV I've ever owned...
Author:  Hopwin [ Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:58 pm ]
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Midgen wrote:
uhm.. sorry Lenas, that's NOT specific at all. In fact, I think that you just described every TV I've ever owned...

Lol damn EXACTLY what I was thinking.
Author:  Lenas [ Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:00 pm ]
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TV's almost exclusively have uniform bezels except sometimes the bottom panel. That's not the same.

Can any of you seriously look at that Samsung phone and not see that it's a blatant ripoff of the iPhone design? Seriously? Prior to the iPhone handsets like that did not exist and now they dominate the market.
Author:  Corolinth [ Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:00 pm ]
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The shape of a rectangular housing for a circuit board is not a technological innovation that needs to be protected from duplication. The iPad's housing isn't a cutting-edge air foil.
Author:  Midgen [ Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:03 pm ]
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The patent system is a joke.
Author:  Lenas [ Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:04 pm ]
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Midgen wrote:
The patent system is a joke.


I agree, doesn't mean that Apple isn't working within the confines of their rights. If the judges are siding with Apple then they must have made a good case. This **** has been going on a long time.
Author:  Mookhow [ Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:10 pm ]
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That is a retarded patent, and it should be invalidated. Parents are for novel inventions; Apple patented a box with a specific look and feel. If anything, it should be a trademark dispute.
Author:  Stathol [ Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:18 pm ]
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Corolinth wrote:
The shape of a rectangular housing for a circuit board is not a technological innovation that needs to be protected from duplication. The iPad's housing isn't a cutting-edge air foil.

This.
Mookhow wrote:
That is a retarded patent, and it should be invalidated. Parents are for novel inventions; Apple patented a box with a specific look and feel. If anything, it should be a trademark dispute.

And this.
Lenas wrote:
Can any of you seriously look at that Samsung phone and not see that it's a blatant ripoff of the iPhone design? Seriously? Prior to the iPhone handsets like that did not exist and now they dominate the market.

Even if it is, I pretty much don't care. Contrary to what Apple's patent might imply, there's nothing earth-shattering about the general form factor of the iPhone. Popular, yes. Ingenious, no. It's a lame patent that shouldn't have been granted in the first place.
Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:21 pm ]
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It's not even a very strong trade dress.
Author:  Corolinth [ Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:48 pm ]
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Google's point is valid, and the fact that a court sided with Apple does not change this. The patent law, as it stands now, is crippling to product innovation in many areas. This is in stark contrast to certain other areas where patent law is a necessary protection. Simply put, patent law is not the blanket solution it's currently being used for.

The patent for the iPhone housing is a clear indication of this. Apple has successfully patented a box. There is nothing technologically important about that specific shape of plastic, nor that coloration. It's just a plastic box to protect a circuit board. Patents exist to promote innovation by protecting one's ability to market their inventions before imitators come along. The patent for the box expired before the United States was even founded. This is blatant abuse of patent law to inconvenience one's competitors. It is not protecting any inventor.

Now, if Apple invented a new technology to make the box, that could merit a patent. Perhaps they discovered a particular chemical process that led to a new, more durable plastic. That would be patent-worthy. Perhaps they designed a new machine to cut the beveled corners. That would be patent-worthy.

Slide-to-unlock is not patent-worthy. That's a deadbolt. We already have those. They predate the United States. Touchscreens are patent-worthy, but that patent has already been issued and has probably expired. We've had touchscreens for a while.
Author:  Midgen [ Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:37 pm ]
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Apple didn't 'innovate' the iPhone design anyway. There were several, possibly even dozens of devices the predate it that have similar, or nearly identical designs. They were just the ones who happened to submit a patent description that is just accurate enough, and yet vague enough, to try to use it to cripple it's competition in the courtroom.

That's not what patents are for.

Here is a photo (courtesy of DailyTech.com) that shows many devices that were in commercial use prior to the patent that could easily fit the description Apple attempted to 'patent'.

Image

And here is the Almighty Steve Jobs, basically stating that "good artists copy, great artists steal" and that they (Apple) are shameless about stealing great ideas. (again, courtesy of the same article on DailyTech.com)



Here is the dailytech article I've been citing
http://www.dailytech.com/Samsung+Apples ... e25277.htm
Author:  Darkroland [ Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:22 pm ]
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The whole patent system is destroying innovation. Yeah, I said it. Unfortunately, the patent system is also supporting millions of lawyers, and they'll be damned if it changes.
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