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Author: | Numbuk [ Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:21 pm ] |
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http://phandroid.com/2012/08/24/breakin ... ent-trial/ **** Tonya-pple Harding. |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:07 pm ] |
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Can't compete in a free market, compete in the courtroom. *sigh* |
Author: | FarSky [ Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:59 pm ] |
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So wait...Samsung infringes on Apple's patents, and Apple's the bad guy for going through legal channels and protecting its property? How does that work when someone sues Apple, then? Or when Google says that the stuff Apple designed is now so expected by consumers that if they don't copy Apple, then they have no chance in the marketplace, so Apple's designs should now be forcibly given to them? Oh, that's right...blind brand hatred. Derp. You can argue against the current patent system, and God knows it's flawed, but you can't blame a company for protecting itself through completely legal methods just because you're a fan of the other team (most of whose designs were cribbed). It's like arguing in favor of a car thief because it's a really nice car that he stole and you can see how someone would want it, and also you personally find the owner of it to be kind of a dick. |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:11 pm ] |
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Some of the patents are probably okay. A bunch of them are crap. And the trade dress claim should have been laughed out of court. |
Author: | Corolinth [ Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:54 pm ] |
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One of the patents Apple holds from the links Farsky posted, if I understand it correctly, is "slide to unlock." Slide to unlock is a deadbolt. That isn't innovative. The touch screen itself might have been innovative, but not "slide to unlock." The issue here is not that Apply shouldn't be protecting its patents, but rather that many of the patents they are protecting are of dubious merit. |
Author: | Midgen [ Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:18 am ] |
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The judge should have voided all of their patents and told them all to go home.. |
Author: | Khross [ Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:23 am ] |
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Apple is the bad guy. They aren't protecting their interests, they're using political pull and market penetration to deny competition. Here are some of the features the jurors were asked to consider in determining whether or not Samsung infringed on Apple's patents: "Bounce-back effect when a users tries to scroll the end of a list or image." "Scrolling; pinching; and zooming using multi-finger gestures and other multi-touch support." "Tap-to-zoom and center functionality when selecting from active applications." Those were software patents awarded to Apple. The first was in web-browsers before Apple launched Safari. The second was available on touch pads and pen pads for PC's before Apple ever released an iPhone. The third has been available from Sun since they started adding 3d acceleration to their desktop environments in the 00s or late 90s. "iPhone's face, screen, and speaker slot" -- This specifically referred to a 'rectangular device with rounded corners and a mostly centered, surface dominant touch screen.' That said, having your microphone and speaker on the surface of the phone that faces your mouth is now a violation of Apple's patents, some 20 years of previous cell phones and nearly 125 years of previous telephones be damned. Except, Microsoft was making tablet and convertable table PC's a decade ago. Nevermind that touchscreen phones predate the iPhone as well. "Shape of iPhone's face, rounded corners, and bezel" -- it's a **** rectangle. "Icon Arrangement on the Home Screen" -- yes, the most basic element for shortcut arrangement in an GUI is now an Apple patent. So, yes ... **** APPLE. And **** APPLE for filing the kind of patents that abuse the system. Boycott the dirty ****. |
Author: | Khross [ Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:53 am ] |
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Just to be clear, I own Apple products; I supported the company; I just bought an rMBP I no longer way because of this ... I have no problems with people protecting their intellectual property; I have problems with corporations using IP law to abuse competition and create a de facto trust. |
Author: | Hopwin [ Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:31 am ] |
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Khross wrote: Apple is the bad guy. They aren't protecting their interests, they're using political pull and market penetration to deny competition. Here are some of the features the jurors were asked to consider in determining whether or not Samsung infringed on Apple's patents: "Bounce-back effect when a users tries to scroll the end of a list or image." "Scrolling; pinching; and zooming using multi-finger gestures and other multi-touch support." "Tap-to-zoom and center functionality when selecting from active applications." Those were software patents awarded to Apple. The first was in web-browsers before Apple launched Safari. The second was available on touch pads and pen pads for PC's before Apple ever released an iPhone. The third has been available from Sun since they started adding 3d acceleration to their desktop environments in the 00s or late 90s. "iPhone's face, screen, and speaker slot" -- This specifically referred to a 'rectangular device with rounded corners and a mostly centered, surface dominant touch screen.' That said, having your microphone and speaker on the surface of the phone that faces your mouth is now a violation of Apple's patents, some 20 years of previous cell phones and nearly 125 years of previous telephones be damned. Except, Microsoft was making tablet and convertable table PC's a decade ago. Nevermind that touchscreen phones predate the iPhone as well. "Shape of iPhone's face, rounded corners, and bezel" -- it's a **** rectangle. "Icon Arrangement on the Home Screen" -- yes, the most basic element for shortcut arrangement in an GUI is now an Apple patent. So, yes ... **** APPLE. And **** APPLE for filing the kind of patents that abuse the system. Boycott the dirty ****. ^ what he said, but less eloquently and with more profanity. All those Apple fanboys who were mocked by the other 95% apparently grew up and became douchebag patent lawyers for Apple. |
Author: | SuiNeko [ Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:24 pm ] |
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Khross wrote: Just to be clear, I own Apple products; I supported the company; I just bought an rMBP I no longer way because of this ... I have no problems with people protecting their intellectual property; I have problems with corporations using IP law to abuse competition and create a de facto trust. Want to offload it second hand? I assume 16gb RAM? |
Author: | Talya [ Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:47 pm ] |
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Utter bullshit. Patent law is broken. And Apple was never innovative. They've only ever taken other people's ideas and made them work better. While this is certainly a valid market strategy, it's the height of hypocrisy to then start legal battles against other companies for vague patents like using "rectangles with rounded corners." All so they can continue to overcharge by a factor of 400% for trinkets they didn't design, work hard on, or make better than anyone else... |
Author: | Corolinth [ Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:15 pm ] |
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Apple learned it from Microsoft. |
Author: | Khross [ Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:24 pm ] |
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If they'd learned from Microsoft, they'd be in Samsung's shoes and suffering the same fate IBM did over Lotus and menu placement in 1992. By the by, that menu placement feature from the Lotus lawsuit was one of the design patents used against Samsung. |
Author: | Midgen [ Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:53 pm ] |
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After reading this, I expect an appeal/mistrial... http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012 ... mments-bar |
Author: | Hopwin [ Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:57 pm ] |
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Midgen wrote: After reading this, I expect an appeal/mistrial... http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012 ... mments-bar Need a facepalm emoticon. Dude patented a DVR in 2002 and with this verdict he was able to create a legal precedent for himself to sue TiVo. |
Author: | Midgen [ Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:19 pm ] |
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They should start showing these trials on Comedy Central... |
Author: | Müs [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:51 pm ] |
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http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/27/technol ... e-samsung/ Methinks the Foreman **** it all up for Apple on appeal. |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:35 pm ] |
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"The Supreme Court hasn't heard a design patent case in 141 years..." Maybe it should. Because, you know, patent law has kept up with the global marketplace, rapid cultural saturation, and Moore's Law so well... |
Author: | Müs [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:54 am ] |
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http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/ ... nomyId=238 The answer to question two particularly amuses me. Cause the jury did almost exactly the opposite. |
Author: | Mookhow [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:49 pm ] |
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https://plus.google.com/u/0/11447689228 ... 46srfbqg6G Quote: I can't make this stuff up
I'm sitting in a Starbucks doing random whatever over an iced americano. While I waiting for my drink, I watched a guy with his friend, pick up a newspaper; and start to remark on the Samsung Apple verdict. Guy: "Wait, so what they're saying is, Samsung is the same as Apple?" Friend: "I know, right? Makes me think twice about how much I paid for my Mac Book" Guy: "Seriously" Not 10 minutes later, a husband and wife, same newspaper: Husband: "... Samsung's iPad is the same as Apple's iPad, and I paid how much for the Apple one? Honey, I told you they were a ripoff", after looking up the Samsung tablet on his iPhone. Wife: "Oh wow," looking at the screen, "... that's a lot cheaper. Think we can return it?" I put my Samsung QX410 on my table, and started to plug in, when he leans over to me, "Sorry, you don't mind if I ask, how much did you pay for your Samsung laptop?" "Oh, no worries, it was $700." I replied. I watched shock overcome his face, like actual shock. He looked at me, blankly, for an awkward amount of time, "Mind if I have a look?" he asked. So, I obliged, and showed him a few things. He commented on Windows 7, so I opened up my virtual machine of OS/X... By the time the conversation was over, he was ready to kick Cupertino in the nuts, I think. ... Now, the punchline: I'm writing this post after the FOURTH group of Starbucks patrons have made the connection that Samsung is now the same as Apple. They don't know the details, they don't really care, what they know is Apple is saying that Samsung is the same as Apple ... and with one simple Google Search, you get prices that are basically half for what seems to be the same products -- for nearly everything. Two of these groups (including the husband/wife) asked me about my Samsung laptop, the second group noticed my Galaxy phone (also by Samsung)... Best billion dollar ad-campaign Samsung ever had. |
Author: | Lenas [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:57 pm ] |
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Author: | Müs [ Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:33 pm ] |
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Mookhow wrote: https://plus.google.com/u/0/114476892281222708332/posts/246srfbqg6G Quote: I can't make this stuff up I'm sitting in a Starbucks doing random whatever over an iced americano. While I waiting for my drink, I watched a guy with his friend, pick up a newspaper; and start to remark on the Samsung Apple verdict. Guy: "Wait, so what they're saying is, Samsung is the same as Apple?" Friend: "I know, right? Makes me think twice about how much I paid for my Mac Book" Guy: "Seriously" Not 10 minutes later, a husband and wife, same newspaper: Husband: "... Samsung's iPad is the same as Apple's iPad, and I paid how much for the Apple one? Honey, I told you they were a ripoff", after looking up the Samsung tablet on his iPhone. Wife: "Oh wow," looking at the screen, "... that's a lot cheaper. Think we can return it?" I put my Samsung QX410 on my table, and started to plug in, when he leans over to me, "Sorry, you don't mind if I ask, how much did you pay for your Samsung laptop?" "Oh, no worries, it was $700." I replied. I watched shock overcome his face, like actual shock. He looked at me, blankly, for an awkward amount of time, "Mind if I have a look?" he asked. So, I obliged, and showed him a few things. He commented on Windows 7, so I opened up my virtual machine of OS/X... By the time the conversation was over, he was ready to kick Cupertino in the nuts, I think. ... Now, the punchline: I'm writing this post after the FOURTH group of Starbucks patrons have made the connection that Samsung is now the same as Apple. They don't know the details, they don't really care, what they know is Apple is saying that Samsung is the same as Apple ... and with one simple Google Search, you get prices that are basically half for what seems to be the same products -- for nearly everything. Two of these groups (including the husband/wife) asked me about my Samsung laptop, the second group noticed my Galaxy phone (also by Samsung)... Best billion dollar ad-campaign Samsung ever had. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! |
Author: | Talya [ Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:02 am ] |
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Japan ruled Samsung didn't violate a single patent. Korea actually banned the sale of the iPhone4 for patent infringement. (They banned one specific model of Samsung Galaxy, as well.) Last year, Samsung successfully appealled a verdict against them in Australia, and the court denied Apple appealling the appeal. So yeah, I'm thinking this isn't going to be nearly the victory for Apple they think it will based on the initial USA case. |
Author: | Hopwin [ Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:44 am ] |
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I didn't know Apple can turn on/off functions on your phone remotely at their discretion... http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/gadge ... ion-972677 Spoiler: I also didn't know San Francisco had already excercised this. Spoiler: |
Author: | Talya [ Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:11 am ] |
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That's a bad patent to own. It ensures a lot of people don't want your product. |
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