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Author: | TheRiov [ Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:57 am ] |
Post subject: | the 42 yard extra point.... |
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1979 ... &hpt=hp_t2 Quote: According to Battista, of the 1,267 extra points attempted last season, only five missed the target. That's a conversion rate of 99.6 percent. NFL.com's Dan Hanzus wrote that kickers made 83 percent of their field goals between 40 and 49 yards. That would seem to strike a happy medium between making an extra point a little harder but not unfairly difficult. Hanzus added that coaches would have a tougher decision in deciding whether to kick a 42-yard field goal for the extra point or attempt the two-point conversion, thus adding a little more strategy to the game. It's easy to imagine situations in inclement weather where trying a two-pointer would be safer than going for the extra point. Peter King of Sports Illustrated noted that the two-point conversion would remain at the same distance it is currently at: Seems would take out the excitement of the fake PAT for a 2 point conversion. I can't see many teams risking that 2 if you have to cover 25 yards.. |
Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:29 am ] |
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Yeah, extra points are easy. They're supposed to be. That's why it's a tough call to go for 2. This would also reduce the value of a touchdown. As is, touchdown is basically worth 7 points. It would still be more valuable than 2 field goals, but not by as much. Leave it alone. |
Author: | Müs [ Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:26 pm ] |
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Noone runs a fake PAT anyway. If a team goes for two, its 99% of the time an actual play. I'd like to see it backed up a bit, Dunno about a 42 yarder though. Or the rugby thing where the try has to be converted from the point on the field the td was scored from. Score on the left sideline, kick the ball from the 10 yard line from the left sideline. |
Author: | Midgen [ Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: the 42 yard extra point.... |
The change would be to make the line of scrimmage for point after kick attempts the 25 yard line. This would effectively make the kick 42 yards. The significance is that statically, 40 yards is where the odds of success drop somewhere south of automatic. Back on the 60s, the success rate for PAT was about 75%. Now it's close enough to 100% that it's not worth discussing. Moving it back might make the coaches think a little harder about going for a 2 point conversion, thus bringing a little more drama to the game. Bad weather excluded, as it is now, the PAT is just a waste of time. They might as well just make the Touchdown worth 7 points, with the option to run a play to score the 8th. Kickers would object of course... Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk |
Author: | Hopwin [ Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: the 42 yard extra point.... |
Midgen wrote: The change would be to make the line of scrimmage for point after kick attempts the 25 yard line. This would effectively make the kick 42 yards. The significance is that statically, 40 yards is where the odds of success drop somewhere south of automatic. Back on the 60s, the success rate for PAT was about 75%. Now it's close enough to 100% that it's not worth discussing. Moving it back might make the coaches think a little harder about going for a 2 point conversion, thus bringing a little more drama to the game. Bad weather excluded, as it is now, the PAT is just a waste of time. They might as well just make the Touchdown worth 7 points, with the option to run a play to score the 8th. Kickers would object of course... Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk I thought the plan was TD = automatic 7, if you opt to go for two you can get 8 if you make it or lose one (net 6 pts) if the attempt fails? |
Author: | Midgen [ Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:11 pm ] |
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I don't think there is a 'plan'... it's' just stuff 'people' are talking about... |
Author: | Hopwin [ Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:13 pm ] |
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My bad I thought the rules committee had taken up that debate. |
Author: | Midgen [ Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:20 pm ] |
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By 'people', I suppose the rules committee would be included. :p |
Author: | Aethien [ Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: the 42 yard extra point.... |
Midgen wrote: {snip} Bad weather excluded, as it is now, the PAT is just a waste of time. They might as well just make the Touchdown worth 7 points, with the option to run a play to score the 8th. {snip} Hopwin wrote: {snipped quote] I thought the plan was TD = automatic 7, if you opt to go for two you can get 8 if you make it or lose one (net 6 pts) if the attempt fails? I would think it would have to be what Hop is suggesting. If it's an automatic 7 with the option to try to score another point, that's what every team would do. There has to be some disincentive to going for the 2. Of course, there was always Lane Kiffin, former USC coach, who repeatedly would go for 2-point conversions when there was no need to. Like, on the first TD of the game. It was weird. Ah, here's an example: Yahoo Sports in 2010 wrote: USC 49, Hawaii 36. At the beginning of the night, Hawaii time, it looked like the story from the islands was going to be USC's bizarre and unexplained decision to go for two following each of its first three touchdowns en route to the expected blowout: The Trojans scored the first three times they touched the ball, on extended drives of 79, 73 and 69 yards, and coach Lane Kiffin seemed hell-bent on cementing his USC debut in the sports wing of the Unprintable Name Hall of Fame by eschewing the conventional PAT on all of them, for no apparent reason other than he can. I didn't realize he had taken it to that extreme. Edit: Jeez, never checked to see that I had screwed up the quote. |
Author: | Raell [ Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:18 am ] |
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People just hate kickers. I am betting this is some kind of evil plot by the owners. They want to remove the kickers from the game all together. They take up roster slots that could be better used on extra linemen or wide outs. Not to mention, the cap space. In ten years, there will be no kicking in football. |
Author: | Amanar [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:01 pm ] |
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I feel like this is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. What's wrong with extra points the way they currently are? I don't mind that they're nearly certain. It gives you some time to soak in the touchdown that just occurred, view some replays, high five your friends, etc. There's also a nice finality to it, really hammering home the whole "we just scored a touchdown" thing. In theory we could remove extra points altogether, and the kickoff, and immediately after someone scores the refs could place a ball on the opponents 20 yard line and start the next series. The overall strategy of the game would be the same for the most part, but it wouldn't feel right. In an ideal world, I think it'd be nice if we could increase the defense's chance of blocking an extra kick slightly, like 1-2%. I wish there was a slim chance of a block, especially on those big game tying extra points at the end of a game. But I'm not sure there's any rule change you could do that would work but be subtle enough. |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:40 pm ] |
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Amanar wrote: In an ideal world, I think it'd be nice if we could increase the defense's chance of blocking an extra kick slightly, like 1-2%. I wish there was a slim chance of a block, especially on those big game tying extra points at the end of a game. But I'm not sure there's any rule change you could do that would work but be subtle enough. Jetpacks for the defenders. |
Author: | Midgen [ Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:46 pm ] |
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the rule changes preventing defensive players from climbing on the back of their teammates and stacking all of the players on one side is partly what contributed to the extra point becoming mostly automatic... |
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