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http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010 ... -jim-mora/

Please, oh PLEASE let us get Pete Carroll

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I dunno.. I'm not thrilled about this. I'm not convinced the problems we had were Mora's fault...

Also, Carroll had a stint in the NFL and it didn't go so well. I think he's looking for a way out of the sinking ship that is USC (with the recruiting penalties it's going to get worse).

It's not a good situation either way. The team sucks in just about every category,and they aren't likely to improve dramatically without a huge investment in free agents (if any decent ones are available).

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Midgen wrote:
I dunno.. I'm not thrilled about this. I'm not convinced the problems we had were Mora's fault...

Also, Carroll had a stint in the NFL and it didn't go so well. I think he's looking for a way out of the sinking ship that is USC (with the recruiting penalties it's going to get worse).

It's not a good situation either way. The team sucks in just about every category,and they aren't likely to improve dramatically without a huge investment in free agents (if any decent ones are available).

GO HUSKIES!!!


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Midgen wrote:
I dunno.. I'm not thrilled about this. I'm not convinced the problems we had were Mora's fault...

Also, Carroll had a stint in the NFL and it didn't go so well. I think he's looking for a way out of the sinking ship that is USC (with the recruiting penalties it's going to get worse).

It's not a good situation either way. The team sucks in just about every category,and they aren't likely to improve dramatically without a huge investment in free agents (if any decent ones are available).

GO MARINERS?!!


Well, our receiving corps isn't bad, our QB isn't bad (old, but not bad really) We've got a good linebacker corps, our safeties need help, Tru had an abysmal year with all the PI penalties called on him, our O line is terrible, Our D line can't get pressure. Forsett is a joy to watch run, I have no **** idea with Jones was used more than Forsett. I don't know why we got rid of Weaver. Carlson @ TE is pretty damn good when Him and Matt are clicking.

So we need a coach, an O-Line (I'd KILL for Hutch to come back.), a couple of DTs, and really, we can make a run for it.

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Man, losing Pete Carroll would be like a dagger to the heart of USC. It would take them years to recover, I think.

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Man, losing Pete Carroll would be like a dagger to the heart of USC. It would take them years to recover, I think.


Would be kinda funny, both Carroll and Sark coaching in Seattle.


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Müs wrote:
Well, our receiving corps isn't bad

it's not bad, it's just incomplete. One dimensional. We have a decent slot reciever (TJ) an NO deep threat at all

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our QB isn't bad (old, but not bad really)

He was a *lot* better when he had Steve Hutchinson and Walter Jones (two of the best offensive lineman ever!)

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We've got a good linebacker corps

I can accept this. When healthy it's a strong group

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our safeties need help, Tru had an abysmal year with all the PI penalties called on him

Our deep backs are all marginal at best really. We don't have any playmakers back there.

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our O line is terrible, Our D line can't get pressure.

Both very true

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Forsett is a joy to watch run

Yes, I agree here as well.

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Carlson @ TE is pretty damn good when Him and Matt are clicking.

I think he'll be a really good receiver, but he is totally lost when he's supposed to be blocking someone. Seriously, he just rambles around looking all confused. Hopefully they can fix this.. I really like the guy.

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So we need a coach, an O-Line (I'd KILL for Hutch to come back.), a couple of DTs, and really, we can make a run for it.

Yea, that and another receiver who can either blaze, or is tall/big enough to battle for a catch down field. Our center (Unger) is good considering hes 1st year. I think he has promise. I think the offensive line is really key though. You need a good one to run or pass... and at least a decent one to keep your QB out of the ER...


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Here, this article sums up my feelings about hiring Pete Carroll pretty well...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/s ... ley09.html

Steve Kelly @ The Seattle Times wrote:
Picking Pete Carroll would make bad situation worse
The Seahawks, who seem blinded by Carroll's success at USC, are forgetting his less-than-stellar marks in the NFL.

Pete Carroll? Really? Is that all the Seahawks have for their beleaguered fans?

Pete Carroll? The guy who lasted one season with the New York Jets and finished 6-10? The guy who was fired after three seasons as the coach of the Patriots?

He inherited a Super Bowl team in New England. The Patriots got progressively worse each season.

Pete Carroll? Isn't he a college coach? A rah-rah guy? The ace recruiter, who stacked his USC rosters with two of everything, like a modern day Noah?

Hasn't Carroll been stalked for the past several years by NCAA investigators, and isn't he this close to getting his school punished by college sports' governing body?

Doesn't this feel, just a little bit, like a coach running away from his troubles John Calipari-like and leaving it to the university to clean up his messes?

Pete Carroll? Is that the Seahawks' best answer for these past two losing seasons?

Pete Carroll? Are the Hawks really making him president as well as coach? Giving him Holmgren-like powers, more power than Carroll's had in any job ever? Based on what NFL track record, exactly?

What's happening here? Since when did this franchise become Cirque du Seahawk? Who's running this team? Barnum? Or Bailey? Maybe they should put a big top over Qwest Field next season.

How many mistakes can one franchise make?

Just because hiring one USC football coach is working in Seattle — Washington hiring Carroll's former offensive coordinator, Steve Sarkisian — it doesn't mean an SC coach is the answer to all of this city's pigskin problems.

Pete Carroll? Are the Seahawks serious? Isn't this just another in a series of ham-handed moves by this once-proud franchise?

On Friday morning, Jim Mora was admittedly "shocked" by the news that he no longer was the Seahawks' head coach.

Two days earlier, in what now looks like a charade of a news conference, he talked optimistically about the future and about his responsibility to the community to turn around the team.

While what is left of the front office was less than 48 hours away from terminating him, he unknowingly was forced to talk about the future, the Hawks' future, his future, as if he were going to be part of it.

It was another graceless gesture by this mess of a football operation.

Now Mora is gone and Carroll appears to be the Hawks' top choice to succeed him.

Mora is gone after just one season of trying to win with a can't-win roster.

I believe a new general manager should be able to hire his own coach. From that standpoint, I don't have a problem with Mora's firing.

And, after a 5-11 season, if owner Paul Allen wanted to get rid of Mora, he certainly had the right.

But I don't think Mora ever was given a fair chance. I mean, has one franchise ever gone about a coaching hire quite as clumsily as the Seahawks did when they brought Mora to Seattle?

This was a disaster from the moment Mora was designated as Mike Holmgren's successor, a year before Holmgren left.

For that final season, Mora cast a shadow over the organization. He was an assistant coach, but he was the future coach. As much as he tried to avoid the bright lights, Mora hovered uncomfortably in some football purgatory.

Tim Ruskell, the president and general manager who hired Mora, misguidedly believed that having Holmgren's successor in place would allow the team to "hit the ground running" when Holmgren left.

But this season's Seahawks didn't run or hit.

Mora had a bad year. The team didn't get better. There were problems in the locker room. Players questioned the play-calling of offensive coordinator Greg Knapp.

But Mora was asked to do the impossible. He was expected to succeed a legend like Holmgren and win with a roster that was as thin as Kelly Jennings.

The personnel was so bad, Ruskell resigned in early December, knowing his contract wasn't going to be renewed at the end of the season.

Now the Seahawks' decision-makers appear to be going for the glitter. They've got stars in their eyes. They are blinded by Carroll's college success, forgetting how poorly he did as an NFL head coach.

Is Pete Carroll the best solution for a better Seahawks tomorrow?

Pete Carroll?

Really?

Steve Kelley: 206-464-2176 or skelley@seattletimes.com.


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I can accept that.

Allen needs to hire a good GM first, and then that GM needs to work the personnel.

Personally, I don't think they should have fired Mora yet. I'da given him one more year. We had a LOT of injuries this season, hell we went through how many O linemen? Lost Lofa in like game 4?

Yeh. I'm not real hopeful for then next three years of "Rebuilding"

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They certainly shouldn't have fired him before they hired a GM. That should be a decision the GM makes.. or at least gets to have some say in....

I suspect this type of behavior from Paul Allen and the Vulcan brass is what prevented Holmgren from coming back as GM...

Well, that and the 8 million a year Cleveland gave him :p


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Yeah... but its *cleveland*.

I await the news coming out of Seattle now with trepidation.

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Have fun with Pete Carroll! The NY Jets and New England Patriots say hi! Watching him in New England was as bad as watching an aneurysm burst in slow motion. He's a horrible coach who gets by in college by over-recruiting talented kids. He'll be fired in two years, maybe three, if he's liked by his owner and GM (as was the case with Kraft). But at least New England got Bill Belichick after. So maybe you need to go through that pain for a few years to get a head coach who's worth anything.


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We've gotten a head start on that 'pain' thing, winning 9 games over the last two seasons.

And it looks like this Pete Carroll thing is a done deal....

I sure hope the M's get good over the next few seasons, 'cause pulling for the Seahawks is going to be un-fun for a while.


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God the similarities between Cleveland and Seattle are eerie. Seriously, if you find/replace Seahawks with Browns this story would still make sense.

I am glad Holmgren kept Mangini for a year, not saying he is a great coach but he's done a helluva job cleaning the roster so far and I am curious to see what he can do with two seaons.

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