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Excessive fatigue, excessive urination (need to pee close to every 90 minutes), occassional and a bit of weight loss.

I am going to be getting a doctor appointment soon, but I already have the rather disturbing suspicion that I have taken this opportunity to develop my families predisposition to diabetes.

As such I feel that I must remind the scientific community that continuing to work on the shill that is HIGW needs to stop and further research into cybernetic enhancement needs to be continued.

As long as they can leave me with a working nono spot I am perfectly fine with being freight.

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Sounds like when I came down with it DS. Good luck.

They'll start you off on diet and exercise, give you some pills and shots can wait until all that is tried out. Be good and you may never have to go to shots.

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Micheal wrote:
Sounds like when I came down with it DS. Good luck.

They'll start you off on diet and exercise, give you some pills and shots can wait until all that is tried out. Be good and you may never have to go to shots.


I think I may also start a regiment even before the Dr to help. I will start with eliminating creamer and sugar from my coffee, and try to curb my soda intake....

I quit meth 13 years ago last november (the month before my daughter was born), and since doing so I have gone through anywhere between 2 to 12 cans of soda per day; if not more.

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Sounds like when I came down with it DS. Good luck.

They'll start you off on diet and exercise, give you some pills and shots can wait until all that is tried out. Be good and you may never have to go to shots.


I think I may also start a regiment even before the Dr to help. I will start with eliminating creamer and sugar from my coffee, and try to curb my soda intake....

I quit meth 13 years ago last november (the month before my daughter was born), and since doing so I have gone through anywhere between 2 to 12 cans of soda per day; if not more.


You probably would have been better off sticking with the Meth.

Another thing to think of, if you quit the soda, you're no longer taking in those 10 teaspoons of sugar in *every* can.

Could you sit at your desk at work and eat 20 to 120 packets of sugar a day?

That's what you're doing when you drink that much soda.

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You probably would have been better off sticking with the Meth.


I would still have an awesome body. But... I would have NO teeth and rotting gums.

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I drink that much diet soda, which has other bad stuff in it of course.

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You probably would have been better off sticking with the Meth.


I would still have an awesome body. But... I would have NO teeth and rotting gums.


Yeh. that's also true.

I'd wager the soda hasn't done your teeth any favors though :p

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Müs wrote:
I'd wager the soda hasn't done your teeth any favors though :p


So the new plan... hopefully testing until I get into a doctor for a diagnosis... maybe this will clear it up completely.

1. Drink coffee black; no creamer or sugar (since I cannot use half and half and all the lactose free creamers are full of sugars)
2. Ween myself off soda again (last time I did this for 2 months and lost a **** ton of weight)
3. drink more unsweetened, unflavored tea.
4. Do some gorram sit ups.

I already feel a lot better since I stopped smoking, now to see if I can manage to not die from something else before I can be shipped as freight.

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Müs wrote:
I'd wager the soda hasn't done your teeth any favors though :p


Dude, this just dawned on me... WTF are you still doing awake? I have to be awake.. I am at work.

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Try to cut out as much processed flour as you can, as well. Stick to whole grains.

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Read labels. Anything with fructose, especially high fructose corn syrup, is poisoning you, attacking your pancreas. Put it back, buy something else - or not.

Your shopping cart will be a lot emptier.

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I hope it isn't diabetes. But if it is, Micheal is wise.

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Wisdom is available to all who can survive being stupid. The first step is admitting "That was stupid, lets not do that again."

People all to often let themselves pattern to stupidity/insanity.

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Alphonse: No, but after we heal up we can try it again.

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Soft drinks also have a lot of sodium. If you are drinking more than one or two a day you are blowing your sodium max's, which isn't good.

Best thing for you to do is drink a lot of water (and less anything else) and get some aerobic exercise... even 30+ min walks is better than nothing. heck a few laps around the inside of the building, including stairs is a good start...


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okay day 1 of my plan:

consumed stuff:
4 liters of water
3 cups of coffee (black)
1 cup of coffee with 3 teaspoons of non dairy creamer (measured)
a few handfuls of cheez its
1 8oz bowl of Mac and Cheese
approximately 4 oz of Pepsi
32 oz Vitamin Water (Power C)

Do not feel as fatigued, less body stiffness, many less bathroom breaks. And with less caffine intake than normal I am no where near as irritable as I expected to be. I would even say I bordered on cheery today.

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Your Dr. Will send some blood off to a lab and come back with some numbers for you. They will be telling (either for better or for worse).

Your A1C is a measure of your blood glucose levels over time (months).

Cholesterol numbers and blood pressure are also obviously important.

If you haven't had a physical in a while, you might want to schedule of of those too.


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I have reactive hypogycemia...I have found (per Dr advice) that the best thing to regulate my blood sugar is constant small meals of a diet high in protein and lower in carbs. I usually don't drink anything but water, and try to eliminate starchy foods and salt. (pizza = ughhhhh) I've gotten to the point where a piece of cake or a candy bar can make me really sick so I just try to stay away from dessert altogether and go for some yogurt or a piece of fruit if I'm craving something sweet.
Good luck, and congrats on the quitting smoking and staying drug free. If you can quit those things, then altering your diet should be easy! (is there anything harder than quitting smoking??) ;)

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Start running some too, or doing some sort of cardiovascular workout. Situps are great and important but its cardio that really burn the excess crap out of you.

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Micheal wrote:
Read labels. Anything with fructose, especially high fructose corn syrup, is poisoning you, attacking your pancreas.


Fructose is found in many, many foods: honey, figs, prunes, raisins, peaches etc.

When speaking of HFCS 55:
James M. Rippe, M.D., cardiologist and biomedical sciences professor at the University of Central Florida. wrote:
“By every parameter yet measured in human beings, high fructose corn syrup and sugar are identical. This is not surprising since high fructose corn syrup and sugar are metabolized the same by the body, have the same level of sweetness and the same number of calories per gram.”


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Soft drinks also have a lot of sodium. If you are drinking more than one or two a day you are blowing your sodium max's, which isn't good.


As I look at a can of coke and see it contains 2% of the RDV of sodium, and Mt. Dew Contains 3%...

We have enough to worry about in keeping healthy with our sedentary lifestyles; we don't need to complicate things with myths.

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Soft drinks also have a lot of sodium. If you are drinking more than one or two a day you are blowing your sodium max's, which isn't good.


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As I look at a can of coke and see it contains 2% of the RDV of sodium, and Mt. Dew Contains 3%...

We have enough to worry about in keeping healthy with our sedentary lifestyles; we don't need to complicate things with myths.


Guilty as charged. I came to believe this after my older brother was told to stop drinking diet soft drinks to lower his sodium intake.. by his Doctor.... He was drinking diet coke mainly, which has more sodium than it's non-diet brethren.

In an effort to make amends, here is some useful information. Not sure how reputable this is, but here are some sodium levels in common drinks.

http://www.dietbites.com/Sodium-In-Food ... rages.html


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There is a lot of literature out there connecting High Fructose Corn Syrup to health problem, here's one

http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/2008 ... orn-syrup/

The Dangers of High Fructose Corn Syrup

Is This Disguised Sugar Affecting Your Diabetes?
Christopher R. Mohr, MS, RD, LDN
Aug 20, 2008

This article was originally published in Diabetes Health in May, 2005.

You know how important it is to control the sugar and carbohydrates in your diet. So you read food labels and listen to your body cues to make sure you’re getting what you need to stay healthy.

But what happens when a manufacturer disguises sugar as something you don’t recognize?

Unfortunately, this is not uncommon. In fact, one of the more popular aliases for sugar today is high fructose corn syrup (HFCS)—a corn-based sweetener that has been on the market since approximately 1970.

According to a commentary in the April 2004 issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, between 1970 and 1990, the consumption of HFCS increased over 1,000 percent.

“HFCS now represents more than 40 percent of caloric sweeteners added to foods and beverages and is the sole caloric sweetener in soft drinks in the United States,” write George A. Bray, Samara Joy Nielsen and Barry M. Popkin, the authors of the commentary.

HFCS—It’s Here to Stay

Today, food companies use HFCS—a mixture of fructose and glucose—because it’s inexpensive, easy to transport and keeps foods moist. And because HFCS is so sweet, it’s cost effective for companies to use small quantities of HCFS in place of other more expensive sweeteners or flavorings.

For these reasons and others, HFCS isn’t going away any time soon.

That is why, to best manage diabetes, you need to know what HFCS is and how to identify it in products.

Understanding Glucose and Fructose

Since HFCS is a blend of glucose and fructose, it’s important to understand the role each plays in your body. All sugars, indeed all carbohydrates, have four calories per gram.

But that is just part of the story.

Glucose (dextrose) is a monosaccharide (basically, a simple sugar), which is the form of sugar that is transported in the blood and is used by the body for energy. This is what you measure when testing your blood glucose or blood “sugar.”

Fructose is also a monosaccharide and is often referred to as “fruit sugar,” because it is the primary carbohydrate in most fruits. It’s also the primary sugar in honey and half the carbohydrate in sucrose (table sugar). However, fructose does not stimulate insulin secretion or require insulin to be transported into cells, as do other carbohydrates.

What It Means to You and Your Diabetes

As a person with diabetes, you know how important it is to control your blood glucose and insulin levels to avoid complications. So, it would seem that a lack of glucose and insulin secretion from fructose consumption would be a good thing.

However, insulin also controls another hormone, leptin, so its release is necessary.

Leptin tells your body to stop eating when it’s full by signaling the brain to stop sending hunger signals. Since fructose doesn’t stimulate glucose levels and insulin release, there’s no increase in leptin levels or feeling of satiety. This can leave you ripe for unhealthy weight gain.

The Fate of Fructose in the Body

Fructose requires a different metabolic pathway than other carbohydrates because it basically skips glycolysis (normal carbohydrate metabolism). Because of this, fructose is an unregulated source of “acetyl CoA,” or the starting material for fatty acid synthesis. This, coupled with unstimulated leptin levels, is like opening the flood gates of fat deposition.

Should Fructose Be Eliminated From the Diet?

It’s not that you should eliminate fructose from your diet, but you should be aware of how much you’re consuming. After all, fructose is the primary sugar found in fruits, which provide valuable nutrients. In this case, a little fructose is fine. It becomes a problem only when someone consumes high levels of fructose or HFCS, which is now present in virtually all commercial foods (see below).

Check the Food Labels

While there is no way of knowing exactly how much HFCS is in a given product, you can read the food labels to gauge sugar levels. So, for example, if HFCS is one of the first ingredients listed (in soft drinks or syrup, for example), it is safe to assume there’s a lot in the product. If HFCS is in the products you buy, make sure it is either low on the ingredient list or that the products list very few total grams of sugar (which is how HFCS is shown on ingredient labels).

What Does It All Mean?

If HFCS is one of the first ingredients listed on a food label, don’t eat it. Make a mental list of the worst culprits, such as regular soft drinks and many highly sweetened breakfast cereals. HFCS alone won’t make you fat, but when HFCS is high on the ingredient list, the food is not the best choice. As part of a lifestyle that has many of us eating too much and moving too little, we’re putting our health at risk if we don’t choose our foods carefully.

So what’s the answer? It’s easy. Avoid HFCS by reading food labels and shopping the grocery store’s perimeter: Produce is on one side, seafood, meat and poultry on another, and dairy products, eggs and bread on the third. Avoid the center aisles, which are mostly stocked with highly processed foods.

The more you stick to fresh whole foods and avoid commercial and highly processed foods, the less HFCS you will consume.

Common Foods High in HFCS

* Regular soft drinks
* Fruit juice and fruit drinks that are not 100 percent juice
* Pancake syrups
* Popsicles
* Fruit-flavored yogurts
* Frozen yogurts
* Ketchup and BBQ sauces
* Jarred and canned pasta sauces
* Canned soups
* Canned fruits (if not in its own juice)
* Breakfast cereals
* Highly sweetened breakfast cereals

Problems Caused by Too Much HFCS

* It can lead to higher caloric intake
* It can lead to an increase in bodyweight
* It fools your body into thinking it’s hungry
* It increases the amount of processed foods you eat, thereby decreasing your intake of nutrient-dense foods
* It may increase insulin resistance and triglycerides

Data Is Scarce . . . But Telling

Although data on humans is scarce, it does exist.

According to a study published in the October 2002 issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, people who consumed 28 percent of their total calories from sucrose (half the carbohydrate in sucrose is fructose) as opposed to artificial sweetener had a higher caloric intake, body weight, fat mass and blood pressure after 10 weeks.

This is no mystery since higher caloric intake leads to greater weight gain. In the sucrose group, there was an increase of a little more than 400 calories, which would result in an approximate weight gain of almost seven pounds during the 10-week study if all other factors were constant. However, there was only about half that weight gain in this group. Therefore, the authors estimate that 48 percent of the excess energy intake from sucrose was used for other energy-demanding body processes, such as lipogenesis (the creation of fat).

To make matters worse, fructose consumption is tied to insulin resistance in rodents and increased triglyceride secretion (suggesting that it may have the same effect on humans, too). Considering that type 2 is a common co-morbidity of overweight and obesity, insulin resistance is common. Therefore, if fructose does, in fact, have the same insulin-resistant effect in humans as it does in rodents, individuals would be exacerbating the issue by consuming too much of it.

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Traces of mercury have been found in HFCS as well, from the process used to make it. HFCS remains on my do not eat if at all possible list. Fructose naturally occurring foods, such as fresh fruit is one thing. Fructose processed out and used as a food ingredient has problems as well.

Eat naturally as much as possible. In my opinion, fresh food is not only tastier, but better for you than processed stuff.

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Midgen:

We all generally take what people say at face value, especially if we trust them. Someone giving you helpful advice generally falls into that category; I think we've all been guilty at one time or another.

Micheal:

This:
Micheal wrote:
Anything with fructose, especially high fructose corn syrup, is poisoning you, attacking your pancreas.

isn't even in the same league as this:
Christopher R. Mohr wrote:
It’s not that you should eliminate fructose from your diet, but you should be aware of how much you’re consuming. After all, fructose is the primary sugar found in fruits, which provide valuable nutrients. In this case, a little fructose is fine. It becomes a problem only when someone consumes high levels of fructose or HFCS, which is now present in virtually all commercial foods (see below).
<Bold mine>

When taken in context, as a missive directed at diabetics, the difference is all the more clear.

In addition, I believe that this statement is not well corroborated:

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Leptin tells your body to stop eating when it’s full by signaling the brain to stop sending hunger signals. Since fructose doesn’t stimulate glucose levels and insulin release, there’s no increase in leptin levels or feeling of satiety. This can leave you ripe for unhealthy weight gain.


No differences in satiety or energy intake after high-fructose corn syrup, sucrose, or milk preloads
For the TLDNR folks:
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition wrote:
Are different mechanisms responsible for the satiety achieved after sucrose- or HFCS-containing preloads or a milk preload? Consumption of the preloads containing sucrose or HFCS caused similar changes in plasma concentrations of the hormones GLP-1, ghrelin, and insulin and of glucose. Also, leptin concentrations did not differ after consumption of either sucrose or HFCS (43).
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In conclusion, despite differences in the biochemical properties of preloads containing sucrose, HFCS, or milk and differences in the mechanisms underlying satiety in relation to GLP-1 release and ghrelin release, no differences in satiety, compensation, or overconsumption were observed.

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so today is day three of my reduced sugar intake and yesterday was... interesting...

Chorizo and Eggs for breakfast, as well as 3 cups of black coffee. (I have determined I need a higher quality coffee)

no Lunch.

Dinner was fresh chicken breast with an oatmeal based breading. With the chicken breast we had whole grain pasta. The pasta was tossed in a light olive oil with Brasil, Chives, Marjoram, Taragon and Garlic powder.

I finished the day with a Brownie and a glass of soy milk.

This morning I am on my second cup of coffee (black again) and I have had a Diet Cola. This diet cola still tasted ULTRA frikking sweet though.

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Awesome! Sounds like you are off to a great start. I hope you notice the improvements in energy and overall sense of wellbeing very soon.
One important thing though....

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Don't skip meals!

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