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| Author: | Aegnor [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:53 pm ] |
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Ok maybe not...but it's close. It was announced at work that we have to work at least 20-25% overtime. Unpaid. Now I usually work that much anyway, but having it be mandatory really rubs me the wrong way. |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:05 pm ] |
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Permanently? |
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| Author: | Lenas [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:43 pm ] |
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Do you literally mean unpaid, or do you mean normal wages versus overtime pay? If it's the former, notify some kind of authority. |
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| Author: | Aegnor [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:01 pm ] |
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As for how long...a couple months at least. And I do mean completely unpaid. The authorities won't care as we are salaried employees. |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:47 pm ] |
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But we still villify unions in this country (self included). |
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| Author: | Ladas [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:26 pm ] |
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Don't be so quick to paint this as an issue that unions would, or should, solve. |
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| Author: | Elmarnieh [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:37 pm ] |
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You can renegotiate your wage if its something thats likely to extend your hours for a year or longer. But temporary flexibility is why people are salaried. |
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| Author: | Vindicarre [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:42 pm ] |
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That's always been a pet-peeve of mine. If you pay me a salary, you pay me to complete assigned tasks, not put in X hours at the workplace. I completely understand your frustration; being told you have to put in Y more hours just irks me. Howpin if there was a union involved, he'd be management and probably be working twice the hours to make up for the striking union workers. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Slave Labor? |
You can always tell them to pound sand. Yes than means getting not paid to do no work, with no promise of pay later, but you do have the "choice" That said I've wondered for a long time if labor laws need looking at in regard to salaried employees. |
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| Author: | darksiege [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:21 pm ] |
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it was because of the "salaried" title that my company got hosed up big time. Someone reported the company to the labor board, and they came in and did an audit. As it turned out... they had people incorrectly filed as Salaried employees who were not eligible for that distinction. As a result, the company had to pay out a lot of cash to correct their booboo and now we get paid half time for any OT. |
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| Author: | DFK! [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:27 pm ] |
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Rorinthas wrote: That said I've wondered for a long time if labor laws need looking at in regard to salaried employees. Yes, yes they do... the idea that for some reason some magical class (or classes) of employee are for no logical reason exempt from the law is ridiculous, and to me unconstitutional. |
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| Author: | Müs [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:27 pm ] |
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darksiege wrote: As a result, the company had to pay out a lot of cash to correct their booboo and now we get paid half time for any OT. Moose, do you want to work some OT? Its been pre approved! No thanks. I got stuff to do. |
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| Author: | darksiege [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:44 pm ] |
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Müs wrote: Moose, do you want to work some OT? Its been pre approved! No thanks. I got stuff to do. yeah but sometimes we do work extra hours when it is needed. The OT is kind of superfluous at that point and we are doing it because the team needs help. /shrug You gotta show the drive and desire to be there for the group and not just be there for a paycheck. Bosses in this place notice these things. |
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| Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:10 am ] |
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I don't get salaried *****. Salaried employees don't have a 40 hour work week, either. They make whatever hours they need to to get their assigned tasks and responsibilities done. If you're salaried and "required" to maintain a given 40 hour office presence, then you need to take it up with HR and get off your salaried designation, or have them create an hourly employee to maintain the office presence. In exchange, when the **** hits the fan, you come in when necessary and work whatever it takes to get it done. You also tend to get better benefit progressions (vacation, sick pay) than hourly staff. That's the tradeoff. Now, that said, I totally believe that there are HR departments out there that think that if they can squeeze your job description into the salaried bracket they can get free overtime out of you. To that, I simply say "negotiate your wage to match your output &/or lobby for additional staffing." |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:48 am ] |
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Labor unions were created to combat unfair working conditions, unpaid overtime is an unfair working condition. Vindicarre, he would be exempt under the current model yes but clearly the existing model blows. |
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| Author: | Vindicarre [ Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:36 am ] |
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See, I don't find working overtime when you're a salaried employee who has signed an employment contract either "unpaid" or an "unfair" working condition. The "current model" is the whole reason we vilify unions in this country. |
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| Author: | Lonedar [ Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:34 am ] |
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What are these "task" oriented jobs of which you speak? In theory my job could be that way, but there are always more tasks... |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:35 am ] |
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Vindicarre wrote: See, I don't find working overtime when you're a salaried employee who has signed an employment contract either "unpaid" or an "unfair" working condition. The "current model" is the whole reason we vilify unions in this country. Ohio is an employed at-will state so we don't use contracts here. Agree on the current model, Unions no longer exist for workers but rather for their own organizational interests. Very similar to Congress in that respect. |
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| Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:38 am ] |
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Not entirely true, Hop. We don't *have* to use contracts in Ohio. That doesn't mean they don't exist. |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:12 pm ] |
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Kaffis Mark V wrote: Not entirely true, Hop. We don't *have* to use contracts in Ohio. That doesn't mean they don't exist. Very true, most of the large employers avoid them and of course all CBUs need a contract. |
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| Author: | Vindicarre [ Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:56 pm ] |
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California's an at-will state as well, and every salaried position I've taken has involved some sort of employment contract. I guess I can't see working for someone without having some things being in writing. /shrug |
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| Author: | Khross [ Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Slave Labor? |
Rorinthas wrote: That said I've wondered for a long time if labor laws need looking at in regard to salaried employees. The Fair Labor Standards Act was just updated in 2004. In fact, I suspect most of you don't know much about it, which is what your HR Department is counting on.1. They have to keep track of how many hours you work as salaried. 2. You have to work 40 hours minimum a week, per Federal Law, as a salaried employee. 3. Anything more than 60 hours a week means they have to pay you overtime, as a salaried employee. 4. The current minimum gross income to be salaried is $23645 a year. |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:51 am ] |
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Khross wrote: Rorinthas wrote: That said I've wondered for a long time if labor laws need looking at in regard to salaried employees. The Fair Labor Standards Act was just updated in 2004. In fact, I suspect most of you don't know much about it, which is what your HR Department is counting on.1. They have to keep track of how many hours you work as salaried. 2. You have to work 40 hours minimum a week, per Federal Law, as a salaried employee. 3. Anything more than 60 hours a week means they have to pay you overtime, as a salaried employee. 4. The current minimum gross income to be salaried is $23645 a year. Khross, by salaried do you mean exempt? |
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| Author: | Khross [ Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:29 am ] |
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Hopwin: All Salaried employees have to meet the requirement for OT Exempt status. I think people confuse contract employees (professors, some executives, etc.) with salaried employees. |
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| Author: | Ladas [ Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:39 am ] |
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Appears to be some confusion between the concept of hourly or salaried and the legal definitions of exempt or non-exempt. This is a decent PDF on the differences, or you can go to the FSLA homepage for information. |
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