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Long arms are a curse
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Author:  Rafael [ Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:14 am ]
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My arms are too long! Screeling, I'm sure has the answer.
Author:  Nevandal [ Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:31 pm ]
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take up martial arts
Author:  Rafael [ Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:24 pm ]
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That's why I have this problem.

Soft styles derived from judo (BJJ, sambo and judo itself) which utilize a gi typically require the kimono jacket sleeves reach the wrists when the arms are outstretched in front of oneself. This is because wrist control can be quickly and strongly established by gripping the jacket's sleeves, as opposed to the wrists. It forces you to learn how to defend yourself were an aggressor to grab your sleeves.

Most kimono brands I wear an A1 or A2. That typically is for someone 5'6" to 5'8", 140#-160#. Therefore, the jacket and pants fit right, but at 67" tall and arms that measure 71" tip to tip despite my narrow shoulders/torso, the sleeves are always too short to be legal. However, an A2/A3 may fit right for sleeve length but it will have baggy pants and the jacket will be massive on me. This is a huge disadvantage as when the lapels come out from the belt, they are extra easy and confer even better leverage than a correctly fitting jacket
Author:  Raltar [ Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:16 pm ]
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Could you possibly get a custom kimono made? Or are you required to wear one of these official brands?
Author:  Nevandal [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:09 am ]
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yeah get a bigger one and get it tailored, man.
Author:  Dalantia [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:44 am ]
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Can you take the top from the big one and the bottom from the smaller one?
Author:  TheRiov [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:54 am ]
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the other problem, the BJJ Gi's tend to shrink with repeated launderings. (and they have to be washed a LOT)
Author:  Hopwin [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:05 am ]
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Can you just paint fake sleeves on your arms where the cloth ends?
Author:  Aizle [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:43 pm ]
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So yeah, you need to get some adjustments made to your Gi.

Otherwise, long *** arms means that you're able to be a risk to Uke before Uke can even get into range.

Learn to use your arms as an advantage, not a liability.
Author:  Rafael [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:15 pm ]
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Yea, the problem with getting a custom one is as Riov, Loki or Vindicarre will tell you, if you roll more than twice a week, you need to keep several kimono's on hand. This is because you must hang dry them or they shrink even more than Riov is referring to. Buying several kimonos can be very expensive.

You can wear whatever you want, provided it meets the rules of whatever tournament or school you are attending. Generally, that means it must be free of rips or portions that could rip, it must be such that it is not excessively thick (especially the lapel and collar) as to damage someone's hands, must be odor free and clean etc.

Kimono's typically are only bought from places that have internet stores because the chances of happening to be located near a quality brand is low.

The problem is, I'm often right on the cusp of the weight for the smallest or second smallest weight (140-145# depending), but I'm not a 5'5" midget either. And considering that a 5'5" jacket will likely have sleeves cut for a 65" wingspan, my lanky *** arms are gonna stick out.

I talked to P&S and I am likely going to try their A2 (5'6"-5'9", 140#-165#). Likely it will be a bit baggy but hopefully it will be right lengthwise.

Aizle, we don't really use Uke in the traditional Judo sense, but we do a modification of uchikomi most refer to as positional drilling. But we do use the concept of Uke in the idea that you cannot train with full resistance right away on new techniques. However, because just about everything we do would be considered ne-waza as opposed to nage-waze, Uke isn't fully applicable in the sense Judo employs it. I'm sure we'll always have some ties back to the idea though - I know of very few reputable academies that don't also have at least one shodan Judoka associate (maybe not fulltime instructor).
Author:  Monte [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:44 am ]
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Learn fencing.
Author:  Rynar [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:15 am ]
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I guarentee there is a business that caters to your problem. If there isn't, start it.
Author:  Nevandal [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:04 am ]
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switch to boxing dude, or another martial art that doesn't require those stupid gis.
Author:  Screeling [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:18 am ]
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I'm not a doctor. But if I were, I'd almost certainly recommend amputation.
Author:  Nitefox [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:28 am ]
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Learn to box out, play defense and watch any video you can of Kevin McHale.
Author:  Lonedar [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:21 pm ]
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Nitefox wrote:
Learn to box out, play defense and watch any video you can of Kevin McHale.


This.
Author:  TheRiov [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:42 pm ]
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So when is the Glade only MMA match?
Author:  Rafael [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:10 pm ]
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Monte, I have no idea where to even start. Additionally, I don't find armed combat particularly appealing.

Boxing is absolutely brutal. I did a solid 3 months of bag work, mitt drills, defense drills, counterpunch exercises to get the groundwork to start sparring. After 2 more months, I decided that was enough. Even sparring at half speed is just physically brutal because of the volume of punches you receive. And it's not even the head punches that are particularly bad, it's the punches in the liver and solar plexus. Plus, unless you have good natural vision, count on your contacts getting knocked out constantly which is also annoying and dirty.

Nev, Gi's aren't required, but they are certainly encouraged. They aren't necessarily stupid in the sense that they aren't some hollow formality, they play a big role in forcing you to learn how to defend against and counter grips to the collar, lapel, sleeve and jacket itself correctly. And it slows the speed of a contest, considerably. Grappling "no-gi" or submission wrestling is much, much faster and it will wear you out quickly. Of course, this argument goes way back to the 20's and 30's in Brazil with the luta livre vs. BJJ as to which one is a more useful and practical way to train. And which martial arts can you point to that employ a more pragmatic and effective approach to self-defense and combat?

Also, I'm not trying to compete in MMA.
Author:  TheRiov [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:27 pm ]
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from a self defense point of view many of the collar chokes are effective against anyone wearing a simple shirt, Even a t-shirt can be used to apply some of these chokes. Knowing how to defend against them is also important, since should you be in a street-fighting situation you are unlikely to take the time to strip to the waist.
Author:  Rafael [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:02 pm ]
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This is another good point to the use of gi's.

One thing I find amusing (particularly from Aikidoka's who criticize BJJ) is that BJJ isn't a universal self defense system. But it can't be, no martial arts system is. All Martial Arts systems are based on underlying presumptions that drive the design of the techniques and overall strategy. In this case, a single, unarmed attacker.

I make this point, because I think with this perspective the idea of the gi brings more benefit than consequence. Though, knowing techniques such as wrist grabs, chokes and reversals/sweeps in their "naked" incarnation is also key for a well rounded self-defense game.
Author:  Rynar [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:02 pm ]
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TheRiov wrote:
Knowing how to defend against them is also important, since should you be in a street-fighting situation you are unlikely to take the time to strip to the waist.


Years ago, when I still did this sort of thing, there was an instance where being in a fight with a particular person was unavoidable, and he decided to try and pull his shirt off over his head before he came after me. So I knocked him the **** out while it was still over his face and his arms were trapped. Much better to learn to defend yourself in a shirt, as you have pointed out.
Author:  Rafael [ Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:40 pm ]
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The "hockey jersey" position is one of the worst to get in, let alone assume voluntarily.
Author:  Kirra [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:07 am ]
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TheRiov wrote:
So when is the Glade only MMA match?


Bring it on Riov ! With my new weight routine, I'm getting strong!

I think I could take Raf down.. But I would probably have to pull a girl move like crying to Pull that off lol
Author:  Vindicarre [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:40 am ]
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Rynar wrote:
TheRiov wrote:
Knowing how to defend against them is also important, since should you be in a street-fighting situation you are unlikely to take the time to strip to the waist.


Years ago, when I still did this sort of thing, there was an instance where being in a fight with a particular person was unavoidable, and he decided to try and pull his shirt off over his head before he came after me. So I knocked him the **** out while it was still over his face and his arms were trapped. Much better to learn to defend yourself in a shirt, as you have pointed out.


Rafael wrote:
The "hockey jersey" position is one of the worst to get in, let alone assume voluntarily.


:lol: I was in a much similar situation as well. This guy previously went about proving his manhood by wearing his pants around his thighs and holding his crotch; when he went to pull his shirt off, his pants fell down to his knees and he was caught shirt half off, pants down and a boot in the gut - a trifecta.
Author:  Elmarnieh [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:40 am ]
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Nitefox wrote:
Learn to box out, play defense and watch any video you can of Kevin McHale.


The guy with the Navy?
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